Patriot_in_NY

NO, not THOSE reparations. I mean new ones -LIKE THESE-

Monday, May 07, 2007

Dems Offer Reparations to Guam For Japanese War Crimes

That's correct... Democrats are bringing legislation to the floor this week to pay Guam citizens for the crimes committed against them by members of the Imperial Japanese military forces during World War II!

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Imagine that. We now should feel obligated to pay reparations for other countries. Of course, according to Hoyer&Co., Somehow, someway........ America musta been at fault for all this anyhow, so we should just pay up. I swear, this congress is OUT OF CONTROL.

Correct me if wrong, but did we NOT already pay ENOUGH reparations in blood & treasure giving Guam back to it's people back in 1944.

Perhaps a scan over the names of the -10,000+ casualties- we suffered might jog everyones memory some.


{ ......in the interest of fairness. I said all "democratic", but they did manage to pull along that republican moron Burton (R-In). Actually, I'm surprised they got him off the golf course long enough to sign on ......}

Patters

I don't know the issue, but the legislation has bipartisan support, including the support of the very conservative Sensenbrenner, Dan Burton, and a number of other Republicans.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/.../~c1105N5xJr::

My guess is that this is something that was long overdue. Perhaps Guam vets of WWII were not given the same benefits has other vets.

My advice is, don't trust your right-wing websites without doing a little further investigation. They have an agenda, and experience tells us there's no one better at deceit and distortions than the right wing.

Real World

Utterly outrageous. Don't blame the Dems on this though, there are culprits on both sides of the isle. This is why niether party's apporval ratings are above 40%. Of course, we need to tax more because the government needs more "revenue" to move the country forward.

When will people see that the people in office, at least 70-80%, are evil POS' who have zero regard for our hard earned cash.

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Harry Boy

The "New Far Left Socialist Liberal Hollywood Bastards" have turned the once Great Democrat Party into a bunch of crazy f-cking lunatic vicious looney hateful scumsucking pitiful maggots.

George Soros, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Streisand, Auntie Pelosi, and Weasle Slinky Reid now run the Democrats, these filthy vermin are a bigger threat to America than the Muslim Terrorist is.

If Obooma or Pant Suit Hillary want to go to the White House thay better straighten these Anti American Slop Pigs out.

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Patters

In all fairness, how can you be so critical of this bill without understanding the background?

I'm not saying the bill is legitimate, but the committee that recommended the reparations is headed by a Bush appointee. Indeed, if the people of Guam were treated unfairly because they were from a territory, as opposed to a state, then it's not unreasonable to acknowledge their contributions to the war effort and treat them as we had treated others. Is it kneejerk cheapness that motivates you or simply that you don't feel the people from Guam should be treated like other Americans?

About the bill and the committee:
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll.../70508001/1002
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign...ent_Commission

About Guam during WWII:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guam

"During World War II, Guam was attacked and invaded by the Japanese armed forces on December 8, 1941. Before the attack, all military dependents were transported from the island and away from imminent danger. The Northern Mariana Islands had become a Japanese protectorate before the war. It was the Chamorros from the Northern Marianas who were brought to Guam to serve as interpreters and in other capacities for the occupying Japanese force. The Guamanian Chamorros were treated as an occupied enemy by the Japanese military. After the war, this would cause some resentment by the Guamanian Chamorros towards the Chamorros in the Northern Marianas. Guam's occupation lasted for approximately thirty-one months. During this period, the indigenous people of Guam were subjected to forced labor, family separation, incarceration, execution, concentration camps and prostitution. Approximately a thousand people died during the occupation according to Congressional Testimony in 2004. The United States returned and fought the Battle of Guam on July 21, 1944, to recapture the island from Japanese military occupation. The U.S. also captured and occupied the Northern Marianas. After the war, The Guam Organic Act of 1950, which established Guam as an unincorporated organized territory of the United States, provided for the structure of the island's government, and granted the people United States citizenship."

Patriot_in_NY

This is NOT for Guam vets, this is for the citizens of Guam. They undoubtably suffered horribly at the hands of the Imperial Army.

btw, you are correct about bipartisan support, but this is driven by Dems, namely Hoyer and Bordallo (she's from Guam - so this is pork for her).



I don't need a lesson on Guam (but thanks), I have a relative on the list (WIA). He's dead now, but I'm sure this would offend the hell out of him. This should actually be offense to many people. We are not responsible for the deaths that occured at the hands of the Imperial army.

Patters

I think the question is how did we treat other Americans who were victims during WWII? I don't know the answer to that, but if we treated the Guam citizens differently then that's unfair and should be corrected. The article I linked to says, "The bill is based on recommendations from the Guam War Claims Review Commission, which found that Guamanian Chamorros, were not treated the same as other Americans on war claims matters." It also says that the bill will need 2/3rds support in the House to pass, so I doubt if this bill will go anywhere.

sdaniels7114

I dunno, if I was a taxpayer who's very existence was a result of my grandfather being hidden from the Japanese Army by a bunch of native Guamites(?) and if it occurred to me that if it wasn't for those people, Gramps might very well have been strung up by his ankles and used for bayonet practice, I might be willing to throw them a bone or two today. Especially considering the fact that money was promised decades ago.

I do think a 'society' to 'society' type gift might be better instead of cash payments though. Maybe some hospitals or a few miles of paved road or some other infrastructure-type stuff would be more suitable?

Patriot_in_NY

I've no problem if they want to reward the people of Guam for loyalty and heroic actions, but simply to give them money because they suffered at the hands of the Imperial Army.

The French were quite loyal too, and they suffered mightily. Do we now compansate them for there WW2 losses to the Germans?

This is not really left/right at it's core, it's right/wrong. The left is pushing it, because that are the socialist "everyone derserves something" party. Bottom line, It's not our fault. If the people of Guam want reparations, they need to look to Japan, not the US.

Patriot_in_NY

I could see that. There'd be some debate, but its way less offensive.