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In all fairness, how can you be so critical of this bill without understanding the background?
I'm not saying the bill is legitimate, but the committee that recommended the reparations is headed by a Bush appointee. Indeed, if the people of Guam were treated unfairly because they were from a territory, as opposed to a state, then it's not unreasonable to acknowledge their contributions to the war effort and treat them as we had treated others. Is it kneejerk cheapness that motivates you or simply that you don't feel the people from Guam should be treated like other Americans?
"During World War II, Guam was attacked and invaded by the Japanese armed forces on December 8, 1941. Before the attack, all military dependents were transported from the island and away from imminent danger. The Northern Mariana Islands had become a Japanese protectorate before the war. It was the Chamorros from the Northern Marianas who were brought to Guam to serve as interpreters and in other capacities for the occupying Japanese force. The Guamanian Chamorros were treated as an occupied enemy by the Japanese military. After the war, this would cause some resentment by the Guamanian Chamorros towards the Chamorros in the Northern Marianas. Guam's occupation lasted for approximately thirty-one months. During this period, the indigenous people of Guam were subjected to forced labor, family separation, incarceration, execution, concentration camps and prostitution. Approximately a thousand people died during the occupation according to Congressional Testimony in 2004. The United States returned and fought the Battle of Guam on July 21, 1944, to recapture the island from Japanese military occupation. The U.S. also captured and occupied the Northern Marianas. After the war, The Guam Organic Act of 1950, which established Guam as an unincorporated organized territory of the United States, provided for the structure of the island's government, and granted the people United States citizenship."
You're such a liberal loon sometimes. Why on God's (sorry, religious overtones ) green earth would I care if a Bush appointee put forth this retarded bill? I couldn't care less if my mom and dad were trying to pass this lunacy. Like someone in here said, was our blood not enough? Sue the fricken Japs, they got the money. This is such BS. Retard spenders in this country say people like me don't care about children or the poor, while I cite fiscal sanity. These same loons are now trying to hand my hard earned cash to someone in Guam because of something someone else did to them 60 years ago. This is lunacy. Instead of giving the money to these people, give it to the poor people we have here then, but don't call me evil because I actually care about where my tax dollars go. This is the problem with retarded government. Mental midgits think that there is a printing press in the basement of the White House, and that we'll just recycle some old newspapers and print another stack of Benjamins to pay for all this. Of course, then they point at retarded, record, idiotic spending and say we need to tax more, ahem, raise "revenues". Oh, and when people realize you mean raise taxes, all you need to do is say "but only for the rich!".
The sooner this country goes bankrupt, the happier I'll be.
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In all fairness, how can you be so critical of this bill without understanding the background? -
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"During World War II, Guam was attacked and invaded by the Japanese armed forces on December 8, 1941. Before the attack, all military dependents were transported from the island and away from imminent danger. The Northern Mariana Islands had become a Japanese protectorate before the war. It was the Chamorros from the Northern Marianas who were brought to Guam to serve as interpreters and in other capacities for the occupying Japanese force. The Guamanian Chamorros were treated as an occupied enemy by the Japanese military. After the war, this would cause some resentment by the Guamanian Chamorros towards the Chamorros in the Northern Marianas. Guam's occupation lasted for approximately thirty-one months. During this period, the indigenous people of Guam were subjected to forced labor, family separation, incarceration, execution, concentration camps and prostitution. Approximately a thousand people died during the occupation according to Congressional Testimony in 2004. The United States returned and fought the Battle of Guam on July 21, 1944, to recapture the island from Japanese military occupation. The U.S. also captured and occupied the Northern Marianas. After the war, The Guam Organic Act of 1950, which established Guam as an unincorporated organized territory of the United States, provided for the structure of the island's government, and granted the people United States citizenship."
Thanks for the wiki history lesson
Guam was taken over by an occupying force. They'd remained loyal (all they really were before WW2, was a pit stop for American ships), mostly because of the brutality of the Japanese. As far as material help, they OFFERED next to none in invasion planning, assistance and forces.
The re-taking of Guam came almost exclusively on the backs of the United States Marines 3rd Division and the United States Army 77th Infantry Division (at great cost I might add). The people of Guam did what most everyone does in the face of an overwhelming occupying force...... Capitulate. Offering token resistance whenever/wherever possible.
Post war, the Mariana Islands (both Guam and the Northern Islands -Saipan and Tinian) have arguably benefited more than any other WW2 involved pacific island from the generosity of the American people. While the northern Islands are officially a commonwealth. The military bases and tourism prop Guam up quite nicely and they are perhaps better of then the northern islands.
Like I said, you want to throw them a bone for loyalty and build them another school or something, have at it. But if they are looking to get paid for 60 year old suffering, look elsewhere.
If anything, they ought to pay reparations to the brave boys that had to wrest that *****ty hunk of volcanic rock from their imperial invaders.
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Re: REPARATIONS for all - more Dems. gone wild
The Japanese refuse to even admit they did anything wrong in WWII so the people of Guam will never get a penny from them. This is what we get for taking on a internationalist approach promoted by the Republicans of the Progressive Era. We annexed this island so we're now responsible for it. If a foreign occupier who were as brutal as Imperial Japan landed on the shores of the Continental United States, we'd still be feeling the effects today just as Guam are.
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HOw many people are we talking about here? 100, 1,000, 10,000?? tough to tell the economic impact.. but in true gov't fashion pass the bill on to our grandchildren, increase the debt, no one cares..
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How many people are we talking about here? 100, 1,000, 10,000?? tough to tell the economic impact.. but in true gov't fashion pass the bill on to our grandchildren, increase the debt, no one cares..
I don't care if it's 1 person, Congress has no business spending our money this way.
I don't care if it's 1 person, Congress has no business spending our money this way.
This is absolute and utter BS. Here we are running massive deficits, we haven't seen a single admin cut government in our lifetime, only increase it, and these losers, while some discuss tax hikes, are handing out our money to some people somebody else invaded. It's ridiculous.
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This is absolute and utter BS. Here we are running massive deficits, we haven't seen a single admin cut government in our lifetime, only increase it, and these losers, while some discuss tax hikes, are handing out our money to some people somebody else invaded. It's ridiculous.
The amazing part is that the majority of voters in BOTH parties oppose all this spending (not Patters but he's a fringe left wing nut) and, yet, the people we vote for continue to increase everything and cut nothing. I don't get it.
A good start would be for each bill to be a single line item event - every vote would be for one thing and one thing only. That way spending on bull***** couldn't be hidden in some bill that's highly favored for it's main features.
Re: REPARATIONS for all - more Dems. gone wild
) green earth would I care if a Bush appointee put forth this retarded bill? I couldn't care less if my mom and dad were trying to pass this lunacy. Like someone in here said, was our blood not enough? Sue the fricken Japs, they got the money. This is such BS. Retard spenders in this country say people like me don't care about children or the poor, while I cite fiscal sanity. These same loons are now trying to hand my hard earned cash to someone in Guam because of something someone else did to them 60 years ago. This is lunacy. Instead of giving the money to these people, give it to the poor people we have here then, but don't call me evil because I actually care about where my tax dollars go. This is the problem with retarded government. Mental midgits think that there is a printing press in the basement of the White House, and that we'll just recycle some old newspapers and print another stack of Benjamins to pay for all this. Of course, then they point at retarded, record, idiotic spending and say we need to tax more, ahem, raise "revenues". Oh, and when people realize you mean raise taxes, all you need to do is say "but only for the rich!".
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