PATSNUTme

I think I feel like many that the two party system is broken. This may be hard for you party hacks to accept but it is the reality.

Never in my lifetime have I seen every single issue politicized so nothing is getting done. I'm talking about big issues, Iraq,Terrorism, SS, Medicare, immigration. These will all have a major impact on the future of the country but all we hear is yelling back and forth.

In other times, when our country faced a major crisis, a leader would emerge to bring the nation through the crisis. There is no such leader in either party now nor it appears to be one in the future. One side blames Bush and takes great joy at his low poll numbers. However the disapproval poll numbers for the democrats in congress are just as high.

This nation is crying out for independent leadership. A couple of suggestions would be some of these people to denounce their parties and run as true independents. Fred Thompson, Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh. Mike Huckerbee. Don't need a nut like Ross Perot or Pat B. We need some true leaders.

I know that indpendents usually don't fair very well. But, I think this time they could pull it off because there a many, many people disillusioned with the two party system that we have now. If they could win or make enough noise to shake the parties to their core, if would be a great thing.

We will always have right and left, that's just the way people are. But, does there have to be such a divide? How many people are willing to tell the party that they are registered to, "goodbye, you aren't getting it done, I'm not voting for you any more"?

PressCoverage

well, until a third party can ever receive something like 10% of the vote, they'll never be invited to the television debates before the next election...

and being in those TV debates is essential...

so, while the Greens essentially helped Bush be close enough to steal the election in '00, and hurt Kerry in '04 also, they are growing in popularity... and could get TV time in the near future...

Real World

You were saying PATSNUTme?

This country is all done. It's too late. Once they legalize the 20-30 million illegals in this country, that final nail will be in the coffin.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
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PressCoverage

what do yo mean by this, exactly? try not to be coy this time, and explain yourself...

PATSNUTme

This is exactly the type of response I was expecting by some. You really think that the 'Greens" are the solution to the long and short term problems that we are facing?

How is that being centrist enough to unite the 90% of the people who are not or will ever be "Greens".

PressCoverage

you asked how a third party can ever get a foot in the door... the point is, it never will until it is invited to the televised debates before a presidential election...

i never said Greens are the solution...

PATSNUTme

The Greens are an extremist left party. It certainly does not fit the centrist, independent, unified positions that we need to lead the country. That would be the same for any extremist right party.

The trouble with political parties right now is that party loyalty and grabbing power is the only thing that they are concerned with. They are no longer concerned about what is best for the country.

PatsWSB47

I noticed you didn't include Ross Perot's help in getting Clinton Elected in the 1992 election.

Patters

Centrists don't unite the country anymore than more partisan candidates. I think you would have a hard case arguing that presidents Eisenhower, Carter, or Ford were better at unifying the country than people like Reagan, Johnson, Kennedy, or Roosevelt. The opposition will always seek to make matters more partisan, so that clearcut lines can be drawn before elections, even when the lines are not so clearcut.

Fred Thompson is no independent, but a mainstream Republican who appeals to old folks with his folky Reaganesque style. Joe Lieberman is a strong social liberal and also supports the Iraq war. Huckabee is pro-Creatoinism and has been accused by conservatives at being a big spender.

If you want an independent, someone like Michael Bloomberg, the Republican lite mayor of NYC, would be interesting because he has the money to run as a third-party candidate. That said, in our system, when push came to shove, most people will align themselves behind one of the two leading candidates. The only way to create a third party in this country is to move towards a parliamentary system with proportional representation.

PressCoverage

oh... did you "notice" that? lol... frankly, i didn't include it because i don't believe the Perrot vote was staunchy otherwise Rethuglican, nor was there evidence of election fraud in '92.... i see a striking diferrence there, not you?