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Hmmm.maybe if Bush had a brain larger than a peanut, he would have thought this through before committing a generation of americans and iraqis to a life of pain, strife, and death.
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Re: John McCain's photo op kills 21 people
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That might be the most ridiculous, illogical, and idiotic thing you've said yet. Again, so McCain KNEW some murderous savage primitive was going to kill innocent people ahead of time, and STILL went. Right. I gotcha. So it was Imette St. Guillen's fault that she got raped and murdered while enjoying a night out in NY. Afterall, she KNEW she was going to be raped and murdered, so she shouldn't have gone there and inflamed the murdering rapist!
McCain and you are naive. He didn't have prior knowledge, he was blinded by arrogance, unable to see that his petty stunt would have consequences effecting the Iraqi's.
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I knew it was just a matter of time before you made this type of asssss outta yourself. Well crafted display of neo-conservatism, at its finest right here folks.
I debate the issue, totally blow your pants off in a knowledge contest, and you proceed to resort to childish political "sore loser" rubbish.
You are too easy. I come back only to undress you of your fictitious "cloth". Thanks again for making an ass outta yourself. Its easily sensed that even the long timer conservatives in here get a creepy feeling about you, brother.
Maybe your rhetoric works on some people but I have total confidence in the good sense of people that they see through to the utter hatred and contempt you hold for core values of America and anyone who dares to disagree with your failed view of life.
You live on the venom of ad hominem, denigration and disparagement of others. It's a toxic recipe, but one that you alone have chosen for yourself.
Nice attack Foggy. This guy posts credible sourced facts and you rip him? You are so in love with the devil, you fail to see the big lie.
To quote the finest movie of our time, "Just when I think you couldn't be any dumber, you go and do something like this.......and totally redeem yourself."
You got abused in this thread. Lets Move on.
You live to abuse people, don't you, All_Around_Brown?? Psychology would call that an "abusive personality", the kind that bullies, thugs, rapists, serial murderers, other sadists have. Your comments are the creepiest I've ever seen on any list I've been on in almost twenty years. Filled with venom.
I strongly recommend you get some counseling. Find a good priest, rabbi, psychologist or someone with a level head who can help you work through the deep hatred you feel. It's not healthy for you any who come into contact with you.
WTH is the difference between 10 million, still a viable estimate depending on sources used,
The sources I have -- which did not bother to counter -- put the high end at one fifth of the number you spewed out. It is not a viable estimate.
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...and one million, or even one thousand. Murdering even *ONE* person can get you executed, in case you hadn't noticed,
The subject is your numerical exageration, not the penalties for murder versus genocide. As I understand it, you are now using the Stalin defense: "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."
Recommendation: When you are tempted to type a large number of deaths you can not quantify, since you state that there is no difference, from now on type "one."
Or, do you type the larger number because "Saddam Hussein was responsible for one death!!!!!" is just not as convincing?
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FALSE ACCUSER!! "Lying", indeed. Scumbag.
What exactly did I accuse you of, other than providing inflated figures, which you did not quantify, because you can not?
Evidently, rather than saying you're wrong, made a mistake, got carried away, etc., to excuse your lie, you have decided that whoever caught you is therefore a liar, because your number "feels true" to you, or because "there is no difference between one death and 10 million."
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Your ONLY POINT is that you want to blame everything on Geo Bush, the US, conservatives, the current administration, and everybody else you personally don't like. You blame everybody except the dirtbags who flew four hijacked planes to destruction into the WTC and the Pentagon, with the White House/Congress on the failed list.
Blame America first is your motto. So just leave. Go to your beloved Syria, Egypt, or China. They'll wecome you. You won't be missed in America, I guarantee.
I think your argument would be stronger if I had ever said any of these things, embraced such a motto, or even held these arguments. Well, marginally stronger, in an ad hominem kind of way.
Your number of 10 million is, from everything I could find, inaccurate. Why did you use this inflated number?
Bad memory?
Intentional distortion?
Are these figures really so abstract to you, you don't understand that there is a difference when we measure the damage done by a regime?
Do you believe your figure to be true, but can not find any statistical backup?
Or is there some bizarro source that puts Saddam in the 10 million club?
Come on Fog. You're shooting the messenger here. And if you think about it, that would be as bad as shooting everybody in the postal service. Which ironically is what many people in the postal service try to do.
The sources I have -- which did not bother to counter -- put the high end at one fifth of the number you spewed out. It is not a viable estimate.
The subject is your numerical exageration, not the penalties for murder versus genocide. As I understand it, you are now using the Stalin defense: "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic."
Recommendation: When you are tempted to type a large number of deaths you can not quantify, since you state that there is no difference, from now on type "one."
Or, do you type the larger number because "Saddam Hussein was responsible for one death!!!!!" is just not as convincing?
What exactly did I accuse you of, other than providing inflated figures, which you did not quantify, because you can not?
Evidently, rather than saying you're wrong, made a mistake, got carried away, etc., to excuse your lie, you have decided that whoever caught you is therefore a liar, because your number "feels true" to you, or because "there is no difference between one death and 10 million."
I think your argument would be stronger if I had ever said any of these things, embraced such a motto, or even held these arguments. Well, marginally stronger, in an ad hominem kind of way.
Your number of 10 million is, from everything I could find, inaccurate. Why did you use this inflated number?
Bad memory?
Intentional distortion?
Are these figures really so abstract to you, you don't understand that there is a difference when we measure the damage done by a regime?
Do you believe your figure to be true, but can not find any statistical backup?
Or is there some bizarro source that puts Saddam in the 10 million club?
I really would like to see any such source.
Otherwise, once again, stop lying.
PFnV
Why do you choose to pick nits over whether it was two million people or ten million people that Saddam killed ??? That 's the real issue here. You sound like the ACLU.
Why do you choose to pick nits over whether it was two million people or ten million people that Saddam killed ??? That 's the real issue here. You sound like the ACLU.
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Funny you call me and others here liars, Fog. You make a claim you cannot defend, and then call PFinV a "scumbag" for pointing out how full of feces you are.
Classic. Oh, and it doesn't seem your belittlement of the facts is working on either of us.
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Why do you choose to pick nits over whether it was two million people or ten million people that Saddam killed ??? That 's the real issue here. You sound like the ACLU.
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Because you exaggerated it by an order of magnitude. We're talking about the difference between 300,000 and 10 million.
If I bend over backwards to be fair to you, you exaggerated it by a factor of over 5 - 10 million rather than 2.
And you say the real issue is that I had the utter gall to call you on your bullcrap.
Why did you lie in the first place, if you didn't want somebody "sounding like the ACLU" and trying to pin down the facts?
Funny you call me and others here liars, Fog. You make a claim you cannot defend, and then call PFinV a "scumbag" for pointing out how full of feces you are.
Classic. Oh, and it doesn't seem your belittlement of the facts is working on either of us.
For your information, I saw the 10 million figure on the web -- not on some ramped up cuckoo nest, but among the mainstream news outlets. I saw it more than once. This was around the time of Saddam's execution. Maybe it was the same people at CNN who reported that Saddam had a "look of fear" on his face as he approached the gallows. (I watched the youtoob clip of Saddam's hanging, and I didn't see any fear in his face; it was a grainy incompleter image, however.)
Have you ever seen me cite facts or figures from unreliable or erratic news sources?? Why would I start now? Meanwhile, you take a photo of Bush doing the Texas Longhorns "Hook 'em Horns" sign, and you want to make him into the devil. Very curious.
Point is, you want to grab me for the figure of 10 million. Others here are conceding a figure of 2 million. Again, what's the point? I exaggerated? I overshot the number by 8 million? When it comes to the kind of wholesale death and totalitarian terror that Saddam meted out, what's the big difference between 2 million and ten million?
To me, if anyone is responsible for the untimely and premature deaths of some 2 million, it is not much different from 10 million. I'm sure for the families of those 2 million it does not matter to them, either.
It feels like you are just doing theater. 1960s agitation-propaganda. Argument for the sake of argument. And THAT *is* fecal matter in my book.
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Re: John McCain's photo op kills 21 people
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