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Re: John McCain's photo op kills 21 people
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MCcain could have prevented their deaths? So he now premeditated murder is what you are implying. I see you're getting more illogical and disingenuous as we go along. McCain went to Iraq knowing full well that some murdering scumbag would kill innocent civilians, which of course is why he went there in the first place.
If he doesn't bring his helicopters, 100 soldiers, and body armor with him and shake the hands of the market workers these Iraqi's probably wouldn't be seen as collaborators. McCain endangered their lives to further his stumbling political career. It's really simple. I don't understand what you're trying to get at here.
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If he doesn't bring his helicopters, 100 soldiers, and body armor with him and shake the hands of the market workers these Iraqi's probably wouldn't be seen as collaborators. McCain endangered their lives to further his stumbling political career. It's really simple. I don't understand what you're trying to get at here.
I'm trying to get at your ridiculous title to this thread. It's stupidity like Re: John McCain's photo op kills 21 people that I'm trying to get at, but since I'm trying to explain it to someone who feels I shouldn't trash my home state because it once did some nice things, and because I live here, I guess I should've known I'd be preaching to the chior. Maybe I should have simply retorted that "John McCain once did some nice things" and called it a day.
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Re: John McCain's photo op kills 21 people
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Originally Posted by Real World
I'm trying to get at your ridiculous title to this thread. It's stupidity like Re: John McCain's photo op kills 21 people that I'm trying to get at, but since I'm trying to explain it to someone who feels I shouldn't trash my home state because it once did some nice things, and because I live here, I guess I should've known I'd be preaching to the chior. Maybe I should have simply retorted that "John McCain once did some nice things" and called it a day.
What does you trashing your home state have to do with John McCain's photo op killing 21 people? You have yet to convince me why this is such a ridiculous title. The only thing I've seen is Turd's agrument that says, "If you don't dress that way, you won't get raped." Yeah but this is dealing with a life or death issue. McCain had the power to stop this mindless act of violence - don't go there and try to inflame the insurgents.
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http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...aq_War.html#s7
"The total number of people killed almost certainly exceeds 300,000. Wounded and captured soldiers push the casualty total over one million, and some estimates of total casualties exceed two million."
I would say it's safe to call deaths from this war 1.5 million, on the high side. Please provide any source stating higher figures.
"The Usual Figures"
Figures not derived from deaths in war (including repression of Kurds, Shi'a, Political opponents, people he didn't like the looks of, etc.):
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§...17&m=10&y=2006
Source citing Human Rights Watch estimate of 250,000 to 300,000, over his entire reign. HRW is no friend of Saddam, by the way, and called his campaign against the Kurds "Genocide."
A lot of people seem to quote the HRW number. Do you have other sources with higher numbers?
Total
The conventional total for over 20 years of Saddam's regime seem to be in the range of 300,000. The total, including war deaths, ranges to about 1.8 million (By which standards, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon are clearly war criminals.) By any normal measure, you're well into an entire order of magnitude off, claiming 10 million for an actual figure of 300,000.
The inclusion of war deaths clearly inflates the figure, but even at that, you are talking about an exageration of a factor of five.
Similarly, Bush was throwing around a figure of "a million" just before the war, though he did not specify whether he too was using the Iran/Iraq war to inflate the numbers.
Lying in defense of a theorem you believe to be correct (the notion of "better America than Saddam") is still lying.
Lying because you're sloppy or weak-minded is still lying.
Of course, competing figures from any reputable source, are competing figures.
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...aq_War.html#s7
"The total number of people killed almost certainly exceeds 300,000. Wounded and captured soldiers push the casualty total over one million, and some estimates of total casualties exceed two million."
I would say it's safe to call deaths from this war 1.5 million, on the high side. Please provide any source stating higher figures.
"The Usual Figures"
Figures not derived from deaths in war (including repression of Kurds, Shi'a, Political opponents, people he didn't like the looks of, etc.):
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§...17&m=10&y=2006
Source citing Human Rights Watch estimate of 250,000 to 300,000, over his entire reign. HRW is no friend of Saddam, by the way, and called his campaign against the Kurds "Genocide."
A lot of people seem to quote the HRW number. Do you have other sources with higher numbers?
Total
The conventional total for over 20 years of Saddam's regime seem to be in the range of 300,000. The total, including war deaths, ranges to about 1.8 million (By which standards, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon are clearly war criminals.) By any normal measure, you're well into an entire order of magnitude off, claiming 10 million for an actual figure of 300,000.
The inclusion of war deaths clearly inflates the figure, but even at that, you are talking about an exageration of a factor of five.
Similarly, Bush was throwing around a figure of "a million" just before the war, though he did not specify whether he too was using the Iran/Iraq war to inflate the numbers.
Lying in defense of a theorem you believe to be correct (the notion of "better America than Saddam") is still lying.
Lying because you're sloppy or weak-minded is still lying.
Of course, competing figures from any reputable source, are competing figures.
But if you don't have them, Stop lying.
PFnV
WTH is the difference between 10 million, still a viable estimate depending on sources used, and one million, or even one thousand. Murdering even *ONE* person can get you executed, in case you hadn't noticed, FALSE ACCUSER!! "Lying", indeed. Scumbag.
Your ONLY POINT is that you want to blame everything on Geo Bush, the US, conservatives, the current administration, and everybody else you personally don't like. You blame everybody except the dirtbags who flew four hijacked planes to destruction into the WTC and the Pentagon, with the White House/Congress on the failed list.
Blame America first is your motto. So just leave. Go to your beloved Syria, Egypt, or China. They'll wecome you. You won't be missed in America, I guarantee.
McCain had the power to stop this mindless act of violence - don't go there and try to inflame the insurgents.
That might be the most ridiculous, illogical, and idiotic thing you've said yet. Again, so McCain KNEW some murderous savage primitive was going to kill innocent people ahead of time, and STILL went. Right. I gotcha. So it was Imette St. Guillen's fault that she got raped and murdered while enjoying a night out in NY. Afterall, she KNEW she was going to be raped and murdered, so she shouldn't have gone there and inflamed the murdering rapist!
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Hey, AAB, or should we call you by your real name: PressCoverage --
You have not debunked anything except your own image as a reasonable, sane, or even human being.
Your hatred and venom is the only thing you have to show for your life.
I thought there were rules about people using two or more screen names. No biggie. Bring it on, Pressboy, self-mutilating head-smasher, or whatever you are.
Bush is president. Your boys/girls are not.
They lost to "the dumbest president in history".
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I knew it was just a matter of time before you made this type of asssss outta yourself. Well crafted display of neo-conservatism, at its finest right here folks.
I debate the issue, totally blow your pants off in a knowledge contest, and you proceed to resort to childish political "sore loser" rubbish.
You are too easy. I come back only to undress you of your fictitious "cloth". Thanks again for making an ass outta yourself. Its easily sensed that even the long timer conservatives in here get a creepy feeling about you, brother.
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WTH is the difference between 10 million, still a viable estimate depending on sources used, and one million, or even one thousand. Murdering even *ONE* person can get you executed, in case you hadn't noticed, FALSE ACCUSER!! "Lying", indeed. Scumbag.
Your ONLY POINT is that you want to blame everything on Geo Bush, the US, conservatives, the current administration, and everybody else you personally don't like. You blame everybody except the dirtbags who flew four hijacked planes to destruction into the WTC and the Pentagon, with the White House/Congress on the failed list.
Blame America first is your motto. So just leave. Go to your beloved Syria, Egypt, or China. They'll wecome you. You won't be missed in America, I guarantee.
Nice attack Foggy. This guy posts credible sourced facts and you rip him? You are so in love with the devil, you fail to see the big lie.
To quote the finest movie of our time, "Just when I think you couldn't be any dumber, you go and do something like this.......and totally redeem yourself."
You got abused in this thread. Lets Move on.
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Last edited by All_Around_Brown; 04-05-2007 at 09:58 PM..
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_...aq_War.html#s7
"The total number of people killed almost certainly exceeds 300,000. Wounded and captured soldiers push the casualty total over one million, and some estimates of total casualties exceed two million."
I would say it's safe to call deaths from this war 1.5 million, on the high side. Please provide any source stating higher figures.
"The Usual Figures"
Figures not derived from deaths in war (including repression of Kurds, Shi'a, Political opponents, people he didn't like the looks of, etc.):
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§...17&m=10&y=2006
Source citing Human Rights Watch estimate of 250,000 to 300,000, over his entire reign. HRW is no friend of Saddam, by the way, and called his campaign against the Kurds "Genocide."
A lot of people seem to quote the HRW number. Do you have other sources with higher numbers?
Total
The conventional total for over 20 years of Saddam's regime seem to be in the range of 300,000. The total, including war deaths, ranges to about 1.8 million (By which standards, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon are clearly war criminals.) By any normal measure, you're well into an entire order of magnitude off, claiming 10 million for an actual figure of 300,000.
The inclusion of war deaths clearly inflates the figure, but even at that, you are talking about an exageration of a factor of five.
Similarly, Bush was throwing around a figure of "a million" just before the war, though he did not specify whether he too was using the Iran/Iraq war to inflate the numbers.
Lying in defense of a theorem you believe to be correct (the notion of "better America than Saddam") is still lying.
Lying because you're sloppy or weak-minded is still lying.
Of course, competing figures from any reputable source, are competing figures.
But if you don't have them, Stop lying.
PFnV
Check Effing Mate Fogcutter
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