DarrylS

Fogbuster you still did not explain the commments you made below, you are a fraud.. pure and simple, say stuff you are fed don't think about it and cannot defend it, another right wing sheeple drinking the gruel from the trough of Rush and Savage.

"Intense about a replay of the 60s which led to the fall of Southeast Asia to a bunch of homicidal maniacs?? You bet your last dollar I'm intense about it, especially when the same warmed-over characters are out doing an exact redux of what they did back then: smear the president for standing up to evil, prevent the U.S. from finishing the job."

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Fogbuster

That's a nice goal, Pat, but I wonder if it stops there. You'll have to forgive me some skepticism, what with the Carville's and Paul Begalas of the world.

When was the last time Carville or Begala got egged while attending a speaking function?? Oh, that's right, it's never happened. But Karl Rove can get accosted and it's just peachy. Got it now.




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Fogbuster

You prove what a waste of time it is to even try to talk with you.

Have a nice day.

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DarrylS

One last time could you please explain what you mean by this statement, it is not a complicated question.. I really want to know, if you don't know what this means or did not mean to say it.. say so.. mistakes are ok. It is not a waste of time, just explain please.

"Intense about a replay of the 60s which led to the fall of Southeast Asia to a bunch of homicidal maniacs?? You bet your last dollar I'm intense about it, especially when the same warmed-over characters are out doing an exact redux of what they did back then: smear the president for standing up to evil, prevent the U.S. from finishing the job."

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All_Around_Brown

Im not sure your red herring is selling. I haven't heard anyone accuse Bush of causing 9-11. Have you? Or is this a made-up person, a straw man argument, for you to satisfy a craving to justify Bushs collossal mistakes??

It seems in order to accept the wrongs he has brought us, you have fabricated someone who you can selectively use to confirm your own false assumptions of what it is us patriots believe about 9-11, and how Bush and the reactionary yes men he surrounded himself with would respond to an attack on the homeland.

First off, here in the nuclear age, your boy continued to sit and read a book to children after learning the country was under attack. He sat and read and read and read.

Secondly, he ran. He scooted around like a little chicken hawk chick, just like he did when his country called upon him to serve in Vietnam.

Third, he concocted a story to conflate 9-11 and Iraq, and to sell this to a sympathetic world and a patriotic america. He succeeded in becoming the image of a strong man, something his daddy couldn't do. And proceeded to attack a country that did not attack us, while taking his eyes off those who did.

Fourth, seeing the political gains from fooling the ignorant masses of his base, and unleashing a media blitz to crush any dissent, he proceeded to ignore any military advice offered by the Army War College, top brass, and other career military minds and instead follow the advice of civilian academics like Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Perle and Cheney, who never served in combat themselves, but knew better than those who worked wonders in the Bosnia and Kosovo conflicts under Clinton.

Meanwhile, Bin Laden was never apprehended. The justice system is corrupted. Liberties have been revoked. Freedom is more a political slogan for you than a goal.

Your political allegiance to Bush has had a very interesting result. It has revealed how far you will go to satisfy your delusion, turned you into a justifier of torture, human rights violations, a record deficit, oil instability world wide, and indeed, the very things Bin Laden hoped to accomplish by suckering ignorant Boy Bush and his sheeple.

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Fogbuster

This really needs explanation??!! You don't know about the killing fields of Cambodia, where the Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge took one third of the population out into the country side and just whacked them, threw them in the river??!! There was even a movie about it. It was when the great New York Times finally confessed that maybe -- JUST MAYBE -- the communist movement in the world -- or in Cambodia, at least -- was possibly not a good thing. Maybe. Perhaps. Sort of. Kinda.

You don't remember the hundreds of thousands -- if not millions -- of boat people who sought escape after Vietnam fell to the communists?? They tried everything to get away: they even went out in tiny dingies and row boats, trying to cross the ocean to freedom, with so many dying in their attempts. I can't believe you don't remember that, since you say you are a grand-parent.

You were not in America -- especially in the Boston area -- during the 60s?? You forget the budding communist "youth" movement, the SDS, the Revolutionary Communist Youth Brigade, Young Socialist Workers Party, dozens of other off-shoots, roaming from state to state, holding "peace-ins", "love-ins", "teach-ins" ?? You forget about universities taken over, well-organized radicals who sought out sympathetic comrades to occupy administration buildings??? What did they know, what did they achieve that was good for America?? How did they help America and the world become more "peaceful"??

It's impossible for you to forget about the Vietnam era, if you are older than 55. So, how can you NOT see that the exact same theater that was pulled then is being pulled now??? It's much smaller now than it was forty years ago, and a lot of people are hip to what's going on, what with the agit-prop tactics, the smear campaign, and all -- but the core goal of all this still remains: destroy the president. Then the country.



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PressCoverage

a strong fourth-month candidate for political forum Post of the Year.... no truer words ever rang clearer in exposing our resident "Lewis Prothero"...

when i think of Fog now, i think of this guy from 'V':

"Godlessness. It wasn't the war they started. It wasn't the plague they created. It was Judgement. No one escapes their past. No one escapes Judgement. You think he's not up there? You think he's not watching over this country? How else can you explain it? He tested us, but we came through. We did what we had to do. Islington. Enfield. I was there, I saw it all. Immigrants, Muslims, homosexuals, terrorists. Disease-ridden degenerates. They had to go. Strength through unity. Unity through faith. I'm a God-fearing Englishman and I'm goddamn proud of it!"

DarrylS

But supposedly we were not in Cambodia.. as far as the movie goes, never seen a movie that has represented any war.. it is all fiction.. sometimes based on a story.. I remember the movie the killing fields.. I was in America during the 60's was 1-A in 1968 almost went to Viet Nam, however somehow I was missed wound up with a high draft number in 1969.. so I did not go.BTW I was involved in the student strikes in 1969, 4 dead in Ohio.. our experiences are quite different I have essentially become a pacifist.. while you are right wing extremist. You do not need to doubt me, just respect our differences, I have no need to lie or fabricate anything I do.. I am what I am.

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Fogbuster

I respect our differences. I have friends who were SDS members. Most of them are dead or gone to a farm somewhere. Sad. A lot of talent wasted. Some have come back after learning some manners and worked within the system -- Tom Hayden, for example.

I'm not right wing. I'm also not an extremist. My volume goes up when the mindless blind hatred rants against Bush go unchallanged. Not challanging mindless hatred is being "sheeple". When people are reasonable, so am I.

Bush has a plan. It may not have been the best option to run in 2003, but the entire U.S. Congress signed off on it**, and the U.S. must see this through until Iraq has a viable functioning democratic government. To pull out now would be a total disaster. It would lead to total chaos. Iraqis would suffer first, then others in the Middle East; Israel would be jeopardized (again), and nuclear warfare would increase in probability. Finally -- or simultaneously -- the war would come again to the U.S., more 9/11s.

(** Please save the rant about "lies, false intel", blah, blah. The Congress has their own intel; the intel GW used was from CIA and other sources largely held over from the Clinton admin., etc.)

If you remember the movie "Killing Fields" it is because it was done by a respected New York Times reporter, therefore getting it immediate credibility among the mainline press, and it was the first time the NYTimes showed any concern about the devastating results of communism's take-over of SEAsia.

The point of mentioning Cambodia's killing fields, and that of Vietnam, and the rest of Southeast Asia, is that the U.S. *abandoned* these people. We walked away and left them to the communists. That was a disaster that cost many millions of lives, and the economies of those nations today lags far behind other nations in Asia. That result must not be repeated in Iraq, the Middle East, or anywhere else.


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Fogbuster

Gee, PC, *all* of your potyear are about me!! I'm flattered, but flattery will get you nowhere!! No breaks.






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