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Old 04-02-2007, 11:16 PM   #1
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Anyone sick of the goverment wanting to regulate things for adults because of the kids? You have to be an adult to get it, then it is a pain in the ass because of the kids!


http://www.christianpost.com/articl...Pornography.htm

An outspoken Christian attorney will be debating Wednesday with the president of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) over the role that the government has in monitoring pornography that is accessible to youth.

The event - titled “Bare it or Bar It: Should the Government Regulate Adult Pornography to Prevent Exposure to Minors?” - will feature Mike Johnson, senior legal counsel from the Christian legal group Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) and ACLU head Nadine Strossen. Discussion will be held at the Adams Center for Law & Society at Susquehanna University in Selinsgrove, Pa., about 150 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

While ACLU’s Strossen contends against government interference, Johnson strongly insists that the government should play a large role in protecting children, and that it would in no way violate the constitution.

“The government has a legitimate interest in protecting children from exposure to pornography,” said the Christian attorney in a statement. “The Constitution does not prohibit local governments from taking reasonable measures to prevent minors from viewing sexually explicit materials.

“Society must draw the line against the porn peddlers and their assault on the innocence and safety of America’s youth,” Johnson added.
Strossen would think otherwise, noting that the government does not have the right to make such an action. She has authored a related book on pornography entitled Defending Pornography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight for Women's Rights.

Prior to the upcoming debate, ADF has contested the ACLU in the past. The president of the Christian organization – which states its goal is to defend “the right to hear and speak the Truth through strategy, training, funding, and litigation – has even co-authored a book with author Craig Osteen titled The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values.
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Old 04-03-2007, 05:57 AM   #2
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Anyone sick of the goverment wanting to regulate things for adults because of the kids? You have to be an adult to get it, then it is a pain in the ass because of the kids!


http://www.christianpost.com/articl...Pornography.htm

An outspoken Christian attorney will be debating Wednesday with the president of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) over the role that the government has in monitoring pornography that is accessible to youth.

The event - titled “Bare it or Bar It: Should the Government Regulate Adult Pornography to Prevent Exposure to Minors?” - will feature Mike Johnson, senior legal counsel from the Christian legal group Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) and ACLU head Nadine Strossen. Discussion will be held at the Adams Center for Law & Society at Susquehanna University in Selinsgrove, Pa., about 150 miles northwest of Philadelphia.

While ACLU’s Strossen contends against government interference, Johnson strongly insists that the government should play a large role in protecting children, and that it would in no way violate the constitution.

“The government has a legitimate interest in protecting children from exposure to pornography,” said the Christian attorney in a statement. “The Constitution does not prohibit local governments from taking reasonable measures to prevent minors from viewing sexually explicit materials.

“Society must draw the line against the porn peddlers and their assault on the innocence and safety of America’s youth,” Johnson added.
Strossen would think otherwise, noting that the government does not have the right to make such an action. She has authored a related book on pornography entitled Defending Pornography: Free Speech, Sex, and the Fight for Women's Rights.

Prior to the upcoming debate, ADF has contested the ACLU in the past. The president of the Christian organization – which states its goal is to defend “the right to hear and speak the Truth through strategy, training, funding, and litigation – has even co-authored a book with author Craig Osteen titled The ACLU vs. America: Exposing the Agenda to Redefine Moral Values.
Yeah, stupid Government. Who cares that almost every child molester gets all riled up while watching or reading porn. Thats what makes this country great, whacking off in an uncontrolled environment. Besides, how else best to show my support for "Women's Rights"

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I think there are many questions that need to be answered on this subject, and until that time the best solution is to encourage parents to install filters and let the police devote their energy to going after child abuse.

Does pornography give people ideas for sex crimes? Does the internet help people trade pictures? Does the internet provide a means for police to track down sexual predators? Does looking at pornography at a young age do any damage? Does pornography provide a safe release for those who might otherwise engage in sex crimes? Would outlawing pornography stop pornography? Would outlawing pornography reduce the incidence of disease and abuse among pornographers, or would it simply make it less regulated?
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I think there are many questions that need to be answered on this subject, and until that time the best solution is to encourage parents to install filters and let the police devote their energy to going after child abuse.

Does pornography give people ideas for sex crimes? Does the internet help people trade pictures? Does the internet provide a means for police to track down sexual predators? Does looking at pornography at a young age do any damage? Does pornography provide a safe release for those who might otherwise engage in sex crimes? Would outlawing pornography stop pornography? Would outlawing pornography reduce the incidence of disease and abuse among pornographers, or would it simply make it less regulated?
"monitoring pornography that is accessible to youth"

does this sound like "outlawing"??

hardly.
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:17 AM   #5
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"monitoring pornography that is accessible to youth"

does this sound like "outlawing"??

hardly.
Uh, actually yeah it kinda does... this is part of how the political process works... when you want something outlawed but know it would be impossible to get it banned outright, you start with something like "monitoring" it.... then, after a few years of that, you show all the outrages your "monitoring" has discovered and suggest action needs to follow.

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"monitoring pornography that is accessible to youth"
does this sound like "outlawing"??
Did you already forget the Communications Decency Act that tried to completely ban pornography on the internet and was shot down by a unanimous Supreme Court?
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Maybe if the government wasn't taxing the hell out of us, and the lawyers all dropped dead so healthcare costs and insurance was affordable, a parent could stay home and watch the kids and keep the freaks out of the shadows. We also need to lock up the freaks for a lot longer than we do. Let all the weed growers out of jail and replace them with diddlers.

The government cannot control people by passing new laws that involve "monitoring" or banning a behavior. Every time they ban something, it's social value and interest goes up. Parents need to be better parents and the lords of government need to keep out of our private lives. Never been into porn that much, but I loved looking at Penthouse...still do. People caught with kiddie porn need to be sent to my "special prison" in Northern Alaska forever.

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Uh, actually yeah it kinda does... this is part of how the political process works... when you want something outlawed but know it would be impossible to get it banned outright, you start with something like "monitoring" it.... then, after a few years of that, you show all the outrages your "monitoring" has discovered and suggest action needs to follow.

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oh, i forgot, talking to a lot of guys who like porn here, whether liberal or conservative, there is "common ground" on Patsfan.com

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Maybe if the government wasn't taxing the hell out of us, and the lawyers all dropped dead so healthcare costs and insurance was affordable, a parent could stay home and watch the kids and keep the freaks out of the shadows. We also need to lock up the freaks for a lot longer than we do. Let all the weed growers out of jail and replace them with diddlers.

The government cannot control people by passing new laws that involve "monitoring" or banning a behavior. Every time they ban something, it's social value and interest goes up. Parents need to be better parents and the lords of government need to keep out of our private lives. Never been into porn that much, but I loved looking at Penthouse...still do. People caught with kiddie porn need to be sent to my "special prison" in Northern Alaska forever.

These sex freaks are the worst of the worst among even the criminal world. They should be the first priority for exile to Siberia or northern Alaska. One set of cloths, a loaf of bread, and good-bye, you're on your own.



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I watch porn 3 or 4 times a week. I enjoy it. I'm no pedophile, sex adict, or stalking perv either. I've been monogomous since I went I first dated my gf well over a year ago. Virtually every guy I know watches it, and a lot of women watch it too. I've had women ask me to put one on while over ( the good ole days of singledom & please, don't tell my gf! ). At any rate, porn presents an interesting question regarding it's censorship, or abolition. Should it be monitored, abolished, or set free? There is no doubt that it has a negative affect on people, and an even greater affect on our youth. I don't profess to know what the answer is, but I do believe that there should be some restrictions, or guidelines in place to protect youths from exposure. I think that's simply common sense. Like alchohol, I wouldn't want my child to drink, but once of age, I would expect him to use his own discretion. Porn is no different. That I watch it, or don't watch it, should be my choice, but with respect to kids, it should be restricted.
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