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Old 03-22-2007, 08:29 PM   #1
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I hear how we should negotiate with terrorist, how do you do that with people who teaches this to children:

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Hamas TV broadcast today a video dramatization of the four-year-old daughter of female suicide bomber Reem Riyashi singing to her dead mother and vowing to follow in her footsteps. The video clip ends as the little girl picks up sticks of explosives from her mother's drawer.

The Al Aqsa TV children's program shows a child actress playing the daughter, watching Riyashi preparing the bomb and asking her mother, "Mommy, what are you carrying in your arms instead of me? A toy or a present for me?" She later sees a TV news story about her mother's suicide mission and death, and realizes her mother had been carrying a bomb.

"Only now, I know what was more precious than us . . . " she sings of the bomb.

Although she misses her mother, she vows to follow in her footsteps. The video ends as she opens her mother's drawer and picks up the sticks of explosives her mother had left there.

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Old 03-22-2007, 08:50 PM   #2
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I hear how we should negotiate with terrorist, how do you do that with people who teaches this to children:


MOABS....everywhere.
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Old 03-22-2007, 11:18 PM   #3
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I hear how we should negotiate with terrorist, how do you do that with people who teaches this to children:

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The Japanese also had (some still have?) a strong sense of "only their way is right, cannot compromise with 'barbarians'", but after some decades of interaction with America and the West, they have overcome ignorance and fear of others, learned things are not as "bad" as they had once thought. In fact, can be very good, better than living in isolation.

Most Palestinians/Muslims do not want the kind of extremist, life-denying violence that a tiny few are preaching. Most Muslims are normal people, just like most of any other group. It is the very few but extremely radical who can influence by their use of mass communication. If the radical extremists are isolated away from the majority, the majority would be able to live in peace.



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I'm sure the Iraqi people see the humor in our commander in cheif, they probably laugh all the way to their destroyed homes, families and country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBIeJ2d87NY

FogBeezy really said it best, most of us would probably get along if given the chance to understand one another's culture. It just seems that the loudest voices these days are screaming hate from both sides.
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:07 AM   #5
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I'm sure the Iraqi people see the humor in our commander in cheif, they probably laugh all the way to their destroyed homes, families and country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBIeJ2d87NY

FogBeezy really said it best, most of us would probably get along if given the chance to understand one another's culture. It just seems that the loudest voices these days are screaming hate from both sides.
What extremist????

Hamas is the majority party of the Palestinian government not a fringe group, this type of stuff is standard fare over there.

Kepp deluding your self if it makes you feel bettter and allows you to keep focusing on your Bush hatred.
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The video is an example of why I don't think peace is possible there in my lifetime.
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Perhaps if we provided Hamas with weapons like ours they could kill people in the more civilized way that we do.
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Perhaps if we provided Hamas with weapons like ours they could kill people in the more civilized way that we do.
Defending Hamas's tactics are we?
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Perhaps if we provided Hamas with weapons like ours they could kill people in the more civilized way that we do.
Well maybe they'd use our weaons but the targets would still be women and children. There is no moral comparison.
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Defending Hamas's tactics are we?
No, but in war, the leaders are always sacrificing the innocent to achieve their aims. It's certainly worse to put a child in harm's way than an 18 year old, but frankly neither approach should be called moral.

We write the rules of war to our advantage, and our rules basically say our way of killing is okay, while we're their way is evil. Frankly, I don't think you're going to convince the enemy to give up its most effective weapons (younger troops) just as you're not going us to give up ours (young troops).
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