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Fogbuster · #1 03-18-2007, 05:29 AM

Iraqis: life is getting better
Marie Colvin

MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.

The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.

Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month. ...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1530762.ece

***Patters*** · #2 03-18-2007, 06:00 AM

Here are some more details of the poll:

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_de...aspx?NewsId=67

49% feel the country is close to or in a civil war, and 18% feel the country is a long way from one.

The pdf file shows that only 1/3rd think the surge is to bring stabiity to Iraq, while a larger number think we're there for more sinister reasons (such as to invade Syria and Iran or to take out the Al-Maliki government).

53% think the security situation will get better when the multinational force leaves Iraq.

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All said, the poll has some good news. That the Iraqis like the current system to Saddam's is no surprise, but certainly good news. That the Iraqis feel their security would be improve once the multinational force left is good news for those who want to bring the troops home, but bad news for those who who are stuck on Bush.

Fogbuster · #3 03-18-2007, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Here are some more details of the poll:

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_de...aspx?NewsId=67

49% feel the country is close to or in a civil war, and 18% feel the country is a long way from one.

The pdf file shows that only 1/3rd think the surge is to bring stabiity to Iraq, while a larger number think we're there for more sinister reasons (such as to invade Syria and Iran or to take out the Al-Maliki government).

53% think the security situation will get better when the multinational force leaves Iraq.

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All said, the poll has some good news. That the Iraqis like the current system to Saddam's is no surprise, but certainly good news. That the Iraqis feel their security would be improve once the multinational force left is good news for those who want to bring the troops home, but bad news for those who who are stuck on Bush.

Not sure what you're implying with your last editorialization on Bush, but the president has said that U.S. forces will be there only long enough to ensure a peaceful, stable government can exist. which understandably is what the Iraqi people want.

Even Hillary says U.S. troops should stay until at least 2009. So this is just a back-handed jab at Bush and those who thinks he's not such a bad guy as he's been made out to be.

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***Patters*** · #4 03-18-2007, 06:46 AM

No, Fog, I think the troops should come home, as do the Iraqi people. I'm not saying we should pack up and leave tomorrow, but we should begin to phase down now, and put vastly greater emphasis into regional diplomacy. Bush took out Saddam, which was good for many Iraqis, but it will be many years before we know if it was good for the US. Right now, it's causing a lot of death and injury and seems to be strengthening the terrorists. Its quite apparent that the Iraqis don't trust us, given that only 1/3rd think the surge is designed to bring stability to Iraq. I think the future will have an Iraq allied with Iran, and our interests will not have been well served by this war.

***Harry Boy*** · #5 03-18-2007, 08:31 AM

Iraqi Holiday Ten Years Ago:

Advertising Signs On Donkey's And Camels:

Celebrate Saddam Day Come Early Bring A Lunch Events Start At 1:00 PM.

1:00 PM Tongue Removal's
2:00 PM Arm Amputation And Finger Nail Removal
3:00 PM Four Beheadings, Two Females, Will Force Children To Watch

4:00 PM Intermission

5:30 PM Three Men To Be Thrown Off Roof (Watch Them Try To Fly)
6:00 PM Main Event:
Our Beloved Leaders Sons, Gootay And Dootay Will Rape And Sodimize Two Young Girls And Two Boys All Under The Age Of Ten The Childrens Parents Will Be Tied To Lawn Chairs With Tooth Picks Stuck In Their Eye Lids Forcing Them To Watch As Their Children Scream, Guns May Be Fired In The Air As Gootay And Dootay Have Their Orgasms, Don't Miss This One.

GOD IS GREAT DEATH TO AMERICA.

wistahpatsfan · #6 03-18-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

No, Fog, I think the troops should come home,...

You had me up to this point.

***Patters*** · #7 03-18-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by wistahpatsfan

You had me up to this point.

Huh? You want the troops to stay? I didn't think you were a war hawk.

Real World · #8 03-18-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

No, Fog, I think the troops should come home, as do the Iraqi people. I'm not saying we should pack up and leave tomorrow, but we should begin to phase down now, and put vastly greater emphasis into regional diplomacy. Bush took out Saddam, which was good for many Iraqis, but it will be many years before we know if it was good for the US. Right now, it's causing a lot of death and injury and seems to be strengthening the terrorists. Its quite apparent that the Iraqis don't trust us, given that only 1/3rd think the surge is designed to bring stability to Iraq. I think the future will have an Iraq allied with Iran, and our interests will not have been well served by this war.

If Iraq is a thriving free nation it will. When Iranians see a free people to their left, they will demand the same.

All_Around_Brown · #9 03-18-2007, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fogbuster

Iraqis: life is getting better
Marie Colvin

MOST Iraqis believe life is better for them now than it was under Saddam Hussein, according to a British opinion poll published today.

The survey of more than 5,000 Iraqis found the majority optimistic despite their suffering in sectarian violence since the American-led invasion four years ago this week.

One in four Iraqis has had a family member murdered, says the poll by Opinion Research Business. In Baghdad, the capital, one in four has had a relative kidnapped and one in three said members of their family had fled abroad. But when asked whether they preferred life under Saddam, the dictator who was executed last December, or under Nouri al-Maliki, the prime minister, most replied that things were better for them today.

Only 27% think there is a civil war in Iraq, compared with 61% who do not, according to the survey carried out last month. ...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1530762.ece

This might indicate its time to declare victory and come home. But you and I and everyone who has watched each and every opportunity to do just that come and go knows, it won't happen until Bush can pass this fiasco off to his successor.

patsfan13 · #10 03-18-2007, 02:02 PM

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2007-03-18) — A new poll shows Iraqis are “irrationally optimistic, misguided in their support of the new government and in denial about the civil war raging in their country,” according to U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

“These are just a few of the devastating consequences of the Bush surge in Iraq,” said Rep. Pelosi, D-CA, “and I fear that we’re seeing only the tip of iceberg.”

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“Clearly these people are out of touch with the reality on the ground in Iraq,” said Mrs. Pelosi in an interview at her San Francisco office. “If they had read the New York Times or watched CNN, they would never draw these ridiculous conclusions.”

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“As this poll shows, the ravages of civil war have taken their toll,” Rep. Pelosi said. “The Iraqi people are in deep denial. We need to reverse course now before things get much worse and they start thinking that their country can become a bastion of freedom and democracy in the heart of the totalitarian Arab world.”

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