Yeah Toensing only drafted the law that was passed, what would she know about it.

Anyone mention Armitage yet? Since he was the leaker he should be a hot topic here/ Who told Armitage?

I might watch tonight not sure I can handle Waxman's nose for that long is he wearing a mask so CSPAN is watchable?

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When she was outed she was walking in and out of the front door of the CIA Building every day, if she was working undercover (covert) what the hell was she doing that for, she might as well have painted a sign on her car and one her back saying "I WORK FOR THE CIA" all Mohammad had to do was follow her after she dropped her kids off at day care to know where she worked.

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1. Robert Novak actually made it public information, but if someone leaked it to Novak they should know better.

2. Wilson got a mission from the Administration to get information and then he proceeded to go public with what he says is accurate information, and to use it to criticize Bush. The fact that Wilson supported Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004 should not be under-played: Wilson is partisan, and so is Plame.

3. Did she perjure herself? Depends on what she said before and what she's saying now, while under oath both times. I never said she committed perjury. I said she is acting now as an agent for the Dems to attack Bush. Playing a dangerous game of politics with national security at stake.

If she feels she was "outed" by Libby or someone else in the Bush admin, I can understand her anger; but she is only one soldier while the success or failure of U.S. policy in Iraq involves many millions of people. In this case her playing politics reflects very poorly on her character as well as the characters of the Dems who are acting like piranhas.


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What if she was outed for political reasons? Is that also for the greater good of America?

That's what I cannot see: why in hell would any administration out her for spite??? Just does not make any sense whatsoever. There is no upside to doing that, while there is a big downside.



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Part of it might have been to make his seem less credible ("Oh, he was sent by his wife?")

Part of it might have been pure spite.

Obviously someone leaked the info to Novak for some reason.

Yes, I can see the admin being very pissed off at what Joe Wilson said when he returned from Niger, but deliberately outing his wife is too stupid and serves no purpose whatsoever.

Personally, I think if someone like Libby or Armitage leaked it to Novak they did so thinking that Novak would NEVER go public with it. Again: what useful purpose is there to outing a covert??? No, makes no sense whatsoever. At worst, it was a slip of the tongue.


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This crap is too confusing and politically manipulated for my liking. Here's CNN:


Plame Wilson said she had no role in sending her husband on a CIA fact-finding trip to Niger. Wilson said in a newspaper column that his trip debunked the administration's prewar intelligence that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Africa.

"I did not recommend him. I did not suggest him. There was no nepotism involved. I did not have the authority," she said.

That conflicts with senior officials at the CIA and State Department, who testified during Libby's trial that Plame Wilson recommended Wilson for the trip.

Plame Wilson also repeatedly described herself as a covert operative, a term that has multiple meanings. Plame Wilson said she worked undercover and traveled abroad on secret missions for the CIA.

But the word "covert" also has a legal definition requiring recent foreign service and active efforts to keep someone's identity secret. Critics of Fitzgerald's investigation said Plame Wilson did not meet that definition for several reasons and said that's why nobody was charged with the leak.

Also, none of the witnesses who testified at Libby's trial said it was clear that Plame Wilson's job was classified.

However, Fitzgerald said flatly at the courthouse after the verdict that Plame Wilson's job was classified.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/....ap/index.html


She claims to be covert, which could be true, since "covert" has many legal definitions, and some people have asserted she did not meet the definition as the article mentions. Also, she says she didn't send her hubby, when senior CIA and State Department officials "testified during Libby's trial that Plame Wilson recommended Wilson for the trip". So who's lying? Someone has to be lying, or someone has to be misinformed about who sent who where, and what covert means. Is anyone else as confused as I am?

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"A theory that explains everything, explains nothing"

the spin keeps going on and on and on from the right... deny deny deny, distort distort distort...

anyhow, here we are... perhaps something is "biased" about the CIA director's quote:

CIA Director Hayden: ‘Wilson Was Covert’ »

During House hearings today, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) announced that CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden recently told Reps. Henry Waxman (D-CA) and Silvestre Reyes (D-TX) that there was no doubt Victoria Plame Wilson was covert. Cummings — relaying what Waxman had told him — said that Gen. Hayden expressed clearly and directly, “Ms. Wilson was covert.”

Cummings also asked Wilson to respond to the specific claim, made by Victoria Toensing and others, that Plame had lost her covert status because she “had not been stationed abroad within five years.” Cummings asked, “During the past five years, Ms. Plame, from today, did you conduct secret missions overseas?” She answered, “Yes I did, congressman.”

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Look, if Plame was outed by anything more than a slip of the tonque while she was covert then whoever was responsible should pay. Putting those two pieces together in the manner you have would be graded an "F" in any journalism or law school, however. The first paragraph is is not a quote from the CIA Director. Even if it is true, nobody doubts she was covert for some of her career. The first paragraph doesn't give any time frame. You then put in your a time frame by quoting Plame in her testimony. There is absolutely no evidence from what you wrote that suggests the CIA director agrees with her time frame. You're showing your bias now. You're trying to fool us.