QuiGon

Check out these 2 pie charts in this link. Pretty fightening stuff to those of us that hope America still exists 100 years from now.

Actually the past few years have convinced me the American dynasty is in its final throes. Thanks to the liberals amongst us, we can clearly see that 75-100 years from now, the United States will be bankrupt and pretty much a 3rd World country.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17083618/site/newsweek/

All_Around_Brown

That seems misleading. The supplementals incurred in Iraq and Afg, which amount to a half trillion alone, are not included in the fedral budget.

You knew that though.

Oh, and as for bankruptcy, I believe Clinton actually finished his terms with a surplus. What happened to all that money??

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Pujo

Generally, a country with the unlimited power of taxation doesn't go bankrupt.

Harry Boy

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Pujo

Good for him, at least he's being creative.

BelichickFan

It's not going to get any better. With an aging population and medical care keeping people alive longer, the social security and medicare costs are going to get impossible to live with. Higher taxes and/or lower benefits will be the only choice. Unfortunately we're headed in the direction of the former.

One of my pet peeves is all the bull***** ads on TV for every pill imaginable. We all pay for all these ED and urine pills through medicare or insurance. This prescription drug thing (including me with insurance, not just medicare) is costing us a bloody fortune and it'll only get worse.

Real World

You're avoiding the point of the article entirely. Furthermore, the Surplus was given back to the people, who it rightfulyl belonged to. What I hate about the "surplus" talk, is that people tend to think government was cut, well, it wasn't. Government grew as it did under previous administrations. Government is too big period. That one joker takes in more than the other is misleading when discussing government waste and inefficiency. What's terrible regarding the current situation, or the last 6 years, is that government has grown exponentially, which means the next joker will spend more than this drunken sailor by right. GW has taken in record revenues. Should the numbers improve to the point where he takes in $1 more than he spends, which is astronomical even by big government standards, it wouldn't mean didly. He still spent waaaaay too much.

Our government is headed where Quigon says. We simply cannot support the spending we've attached ourselves too. Be it defense, or welfare, with such a growing mass of both elderly and red inkers, we're doomed.

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QuiGon

Not to mention all the illegals flooding into our borders... They get all sort of government benefits (food stamps, welfare, free health care, education, in-state tuition) without the minor nuisance of actually having to pay taxes...

BelichickFan

Then they have kids who are born as citizens and vote for more benefits . . . why do you think the voting demographics are changing ?

Real World

Exactly. Illegals constitute a high number of what I like to call "red inkers". By rule, they tend to cost more they they pay in. When you figure that they don't have insurance, don't pay taxes (under the table pay, or don't earn enough to pay tax), and add to governmental costs (more fire, police, education, etc). Furthermore, if you make them all legal, then they will immidiately qualify for more welfare services. We're doomed!

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897