Patters

We have created new opportunities for them. One, they would rather go after the Middle East than the U.S., so we can protect our homeland somewhat by engaging in constant war (and that's also great for the arms industry). Two, why should they attack us here, when they can kill us over there? They have killed 3,000 Americans so far, more than died on 9/11. Three , as they grow stronger, they become more of a threat to our homeland. Four, the fact that the haven't attacked the US since 9/11 shows that we spent $400 billion to fight a rag tag army. Certainly right after 9/11, even before we instituted any of our homeland security plans, they were unable to muster another attack. So, it appears to me that if we had not attacked Iraq, we still would have been able to protect ourselves, and not lost thousands of soldiers and billions of dollars.

patsfan13

They want it all. The US has been their stated target they declared war on us in the 90's guess you missed that.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Patters

Yes, that's why I pointed out how weak they were. After 9/11, they couldn't muster anything here even before we implemented tighter security. Amazingly, they can't sneak across the border and can't even mail packages. This is the terrorist organization that scared the righties so much? Since Bush's WOT, they have become stronger, but they are taking advantage of the chance we gave them to form a foothold in Iraq, and are now taking advantage of the fact that we are overextended in Iraq to reconstitute their organization and make it stronger.

patsfan13

So let me get this straight. They were attacking US interest and ultimately the US on a regular basis. since 9-11 and the administration aggressive campaign against them, no attacks in the US (which NONE of the pundits were predicting) , and now because of a NYT article indicitating they are trying to crawl out from under their rocks this means the WOT is a failure?

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Pujo

That's not what I read at all, and I don't care to retype what was perfectly clear the last time. I'll point to the second paragraph of what I said if you need a hint. No amount of flipness changes it.

PressCoverage

it's all he does... reform your own stance as he sees fit, arguing with himself in the process... he can't debate, he's a hack....

Patters

WE'VE LOST 3,000 SOLDIERS, spent $400+ billion, made Iran stronger, turned much of the world against us, brought forth all sorts of new terrorist groups, and have made Al Qaeda stronger. Furthermore, they attacked in the U.S. once under Clinton and once under Bush. It's obvious to me that he WOT is a major failure in that there's more terror now than ever.

PressCoverage

when do righties stop hanging their hat on this mantra? hey, there were no attacks here in the EIGHT years between the 93 WTC bombing and 9/11... by your logic, Clinton deserves kudos...

back to reality: the Terrorists are extremely patient and rescillient .... Bush's 1984 of America has plugged a few holes, but nothing will deter them until we go into Pakistan and get the real enemy...

Harry Boy

When Bush's term is up and if a Dingobat Left Winger becomes president the Democrats will turn into a bunch of bloodthirsty war mongering dogs and head for Africa and start killing people over there, it will be "The Good War".

Africa is the democrats favorite playground, African people are better than Iraqi people.

General Pelosi, General Murtha, General Kennedy and General Clooney will be in charge of the "Good War".

If the Killer Democrats want you to go and KILL IN AFRICA run to Canada or England (like Clinton did).

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patsfan13

There wasn't 8 years between WTC I (which wasn't Al Queda, Although a Clinton Admin official did say that Iraqi Intel had a hand in it. I was referring to The Khobar Towers attack, Kenyan embassy bombing the USS Cole. all AlQueda attacks on American interest.

Al Queda's network has been seriously compromised as a result of aggressive actions by America after 9-11.

So yiou favor going into Pakistan?

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."