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***PressCoverage*** · 02-16-2007, 05:21 PM

there was a certain poster here who refused to retract the exact same quote... are we seeing a new Con man tactic?... "Absorb fabricated material and insist it's true?"... Oh wait, that's an old tactic...

Watch the jackass here, on YouTube, where millions of Americans can witness Con man agenda, wrapped in stupidity

Young Will Not Retract Fabricated Lincoln Quote

During yesterday’s House debate on Iraq, Rep. Don Young (R-AK) made the case for escalation by citing a fabricated quote falsely attributed to Abraham Lincoln: “Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs, and should be arrested, exiled or hanged.” Watch it:

This morning, Young’s spokeswoman Meredith Kenny told ThinkProgress repeatedly that Young does not plan to take any action to correct the record or clarify his House statement.

Kenny said that Young had learned of the quote from Tuesday’s Washington Times op-ed by Frank Gaffney, and noted that the Times has not yet issued a correction or retraction. Kenny said she “couldn’t confirm or deny” that Young would correct his statement even if the Times published a correction.

Kenny added that Young didn’t literally mean that those supporting the Iraq resolution should be “hanged,” merely that they should not be “undermining the morale of our military.”

***patsfan13*** · 02-16-2007, 05:42 PM

The quote isn't Lincoln's but whoever said it was correct.

Fixit · 02-16-2007, 05:45 PM

This amuses me. Damaging soldiers' morale is treason; getting them killed is perfectly acceptable.

Pujo · 02-16-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

The quote isn't Lincoln's but whoever said it was correct.

You don't believe that. You're too smart, you know that a bad President could start a war because he knows it's the one thing Congress couldn't rebuff him on. You know that thinking like that would be abused to silence critics. You don't want that, do you?

Real World · 02-16-2007, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixit

This amuses me. Damaging soldiers' morale is treason; getting them killed is perfectly acceptable.

That would always depend on who's damaging their morale, and which asswipe was getting them killed of course.

***PressCoverage*** · 02-16-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

The quote isn't Lincoln's but whoever said it was correct.

why does this not surprise me in the least from you?.... yeah, it's fine to execute a lawmaker against your agenda, isn't it Gen. Sutler? ...

nevermind that this isn't a war, it's an occupation... so the rhetoric doesn't really apply...

***PressCoverage*** · 02-16-2007, 07:18 PM

and the clown Congressman won't retract... he'll just attribute it to the Washington Times, which also won't retract a known falsehood... yeah, that "damned liberal media"...

***patsfan13*** · 02-16-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NEM

Please enlighten us as to who is undermining our military and damaging their morale. and, EXACTLY, how they are doing it.

I will tell you who is damaging their morale more than anyone. George W. Bush, for lying to them in the beginning to get them there on false pretexis, without proper equipment, in in smaller numbers than the military leaders said was necessary.....

.....and then sending billions and billions of dollars to people over at Haliburton, and other corportation and of course, paying the mercenary Blackwaters a hundred times the amount that out military personnel are earning, and yet they are the ones in harms way, being killed and maimed...and now, for further escalating the war instead of lbringing them home..That is who is hurting their morale, and no one else....

Why isnt he, as commander in chief, on the ground over there building morale, walking through the streets of Baghadad with them, building morale?

I'll tel lyu why, because he is a stinking lyin son of a b itch and a yellow bellied freaking Awol DESERTING COWARD...

And, my guess is that if he did go over and walked the streets, he would be shot by friendly fire....... Our men hate the bastard more than the Iraqis.

Let's use Viet Nam as an example. The Tet offensive was a ,military disaster, the Viet Cong cease to be a factor. From that point forward the NVA did the fighting as Gen Giap said in his memoirs, the North wa ready to sue for peace and end the war, but the reaction by the left in this country convinced that if they hung on the US would lose by giving up. He was correct in his assessment. The result the war went on for years, thousands of additional American dies along with hundred of Thousands of Vietnamese and millions of Cambodians.

When you falsely accuse the President of of being a liar, and actively portray the motives of your country as evil, you serve as a propaganda tool for the enemies of our country who seek to destroy us. You also give hope to the enemy that if they just hold on they will win by virtue of the US quitting.

When Al Queda look at the feckless, disgraceful behavior of the opposition party in this country, they know that if that party is their hope for victory. They know that if they like the Vietnamese hang on the unpatriotic anti US faction in this country will hand them the victory they desire.

Pujo · 02-16-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

When you falsely accuse the President of of being a liar

At least the last few Presidents have been liars. We deserve better from both sides, and we'd be doing ourselves a disservice if we kept quiet.

***patsfan13*** · 02-16-2007, 08:33 PM

From Sam Johnson a 29 year USAF Veteran who pent 7 yrs in the HAnoi Hilton:

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www.samjohnson.house.gov

Johnson Contact: McCall Cameron (202) 225-4201

Sam Johnson, former POW: “The pain inflicted by your country’s indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors”

Washington, Feb 16 -

Today U.S. Congressman Sam Johnson (3rd Dist.-Texas) delivered the following closing statement on the floor of the House during the 36-hour debate on Iraq.

A 29-year Air Force veteran, Johnson served in both the Korean and Vietnam Wars. Johnson spent nearly seven years as a Prisoner of War, more than half of that time in solitary confinement.

Coincidentally, this week in 1973 as one of the longest held captives, Johnson finally left Hanoi on February 12, 1973 and returned home to Texas on February 17, 1973.

Earlier this week on Monday, Johnson spent the anniversary of his release pleading with a House panel to accept his amendment to support and fully fund the troops for the 36 hours of debate on the troop escalation in Iraq.

Johnson’s floor statement follows:

“You know, I flew 62 combat missions in the Korean War and 25 missions in the Vietnam War before being shot down.

“I had the privilege of serving in the United States Air Force for 29 years, attending the prestigious National War College, and commanding two air bases, among other things.

“I mention these stories because I view the debate on the floor not just as a U.S. Congressman elected to serve the good people of the Third District in Texas, but also through the lens of a life-long fighter pilot, student of war, a combat warrior, a leader of men, and a Prisoner of War.

“Ironically, this week marks the anniversary that I started a new life – and my freedom from prison in Hanoi.

“I spent nearly seven years as a Prisoner of War in Vietnam, more than half of that time in solitary confinement. I flew out of Hanoi on February 12, 1973 with other long-held Prisoners of War – weighing just 140 pounds. And tomorrow – 34 years ago, I had my homecoming to Texas – a truly unspeakable blessing of freedom.

“While in solitary confinement, my captors kept me in leg stocks, like the pilgrims… for 72 days….

“As you can imagine, they had to carry me out of the stocks because I couldn’t walk. The following day, they put me in leg irons… for 2 ½ years. That’s when you have a tight metal cuff around each ankle – with a foot-long bar connecting the legs.

“I still have little feeling in my right arm and my right hand… and my body has never been the same since my nearly 2,500 days of captivity.

“But I will never let my physical wounds hold me back.

“Instead, I try to see the silver lining. I say that because in some way … I’m living a dream…a hope I had for the future.

“From April 16, 1966 to February 12, 1973 – I prayed that I would return home to the loving embrace of my wife, Shirley, and my three kids, Bob, Gini, and Beverly…

“And my fellow POWs and I clung to the hope of when – not if – we returned home.

“We would spend hours tapping on the adjoining cement walls about what we would do when we got home to America.

“We pledged to quit griping about the way the government was running the war in Vietnam and do something about it… We decided that we would run for office and try to make America a better place for all.

“So – little did I know back in my rat-infested 3 x 8 dark and filthy cell that 34 years after my departure from Hell on Earth… I would spend the anniversary of my release pleading for a House panel to back my measure to support and fully fund the troops in harm’s way….and that just days later I would be on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives surrounded by distinguished veterans urging Congress to support our troops to the hilt.

“We POWs were still in Vietnam when Washington cut the funding for Vietnam. I know what it does to morale and mission success. Words can not fully describe the horrendous damage of the anti-American efforts against the war back home to the guys on the ground.

“Our captors would blare nasty recordings over the loud speaker of Americans protesting back home…tales of Americans spitting on Vietnam veterans when they came home... and worse.

“We must never, ever let that happen again.

“The pain inflicted by your country’s indifference is tenfold that inflicted by your ruthless captors.

“Our troops – and their families – want, need and deserve the full support of the country – and the Congress. Moms and dads watching the news need to know that the Congress will not leave their sons and daughters in harm’s way without support.

“Since the President announced his new plan for Iraq last month, there has been steady progress. He changed the rules of engagement and removed political protections.

“There are reports we wounded the number two of Al Qaeda and killed his deputy. Yes, Al Qaeda operates in Iraq. It’s alleged that top radical jihadist Al-Sadr has fled Iraq – maybe to Iran. And Iraq’s closed its borders with Iran and Syria. The President changed course and offered a new plan …we are making progress. We must seize the opportunity to move forward, not stifle future success.

“Debating non-binding resolutions aimed at earning political points only destroys morale, stymies success, and emboldens the enemy.

“The grim reality is that this House measure is the first step to cutting funding of the troops…Just ask John Murtha about his ‘slow-bleed’ plan that hamstrings our troops in harm’s way.

“Now it’s time to stand up for my friends who did not make it home – and those who fought and died in Iraq - so I can keep my promise that when we got home we would quit griping about the war and do something positive about it…and we must not allow this Congress to leave these troops like the Congress left us.

“Today, let my body serve as a brutal reminder that we must not repeat the mistakes of the past… instead learn from them.

“We must not cut funding for our troops. We must stick by them. We must support them all the way…To our troops we must remain…always faithful.

“God bless you and I salute you all. Thank you.”

This GREAT American speaks from first hand experience.And has made the kind of sacrifices that the peole on the left who despise our military have never made.