patsfan13

IMO Al Queda and Sadr and his backers in Iran were thrilled by the resolution passed by the HOR today also. I sure they think highly of Rep Mc Govern along with congressmen lok R Paul R-Tx.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

PressCoverage

more "the world is either black or white" rhetoric from a man who seems to find perspective for a moment, but then loses it again at the end...

different war, different times, different rationale, different mindset in America, both in the 60s, as well as the 40s... but, of course, war enthusiasts love to link past wars to this conflict when it suits them, and contrast them when it doesn't suit them... both of which you've done right here above...

the communists won in Southeast Asia, and yet Russian-style communism still lost overall ... the latter of which is what a lot of people predicted in the 60s... it was unecessary to escalate in Southeast Asia, despite a legion of McCarthyists (like yourself, apparently) ramping up the fear card about the great Red threat the decade before and all throughout... and that is why America was digusted with losing 58,000 of it's fighting men in a country that never threatened us...

and here we 30 years later, attacked by a very specific enemy, and going half-assed in pursuit after that enemy, all while making up reasons to redeploy and instead discipline a regional bully and take his resources...

and yet you wanna sit here and repeat the same broken record, "you're killing our soldiers"... how insulting and baseless.... debate the facts and the merits occupation... don't play heartstring games that have all been debunked on their own lack of merit time and time again.... and please don't sing to us about some requirement of blind loyalty to a leadership that lied us into a disaster, keeps lying, keeps firing "calmer minds," keeps ignoring its generals, and on and on and on...

this is a federal mafia we are living under, there's no doubt about it... perhaps you like gangsterism...

wistahpatsfan

What difference does it make what AQ thinks of us? If they weren't motivated last week, they aren't today. What more mitivation could they need to kill Americans that the presence of infidel troops from an infidel country on their sacred Muslim soil? Who cares what they think? Maybe our military brass ought to give that a thought, but for some reason, they don't.

DarrylS

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I do get annoyed with people who are rooting for our guyus to lose to satisfy a political agenda.[/QUOTE]

I also witnessed Viet Nam, with all of its effects, all of its lies and all of its problems.. disagreed with it, but always supported the guys who went there, but welcomed them home by tilting a few with them.. never felt as though they were baby killers.

I do not route for our guys to loose, in fact I pray for them every day and support them in a variety of ways, I view this conflict as I view Viet Nam.. it is a never ending story that will only continue to cause hardship on the US fighting men and women, there is no end. Our adm did not prepare for all of the contingencies before they put these folks in harms way. The difference between Viet Nam and Iraq, is that there is no hardship on the mainstream american people in the latter. No one is experiencing any shortcomings and inflation is under control, for most people Iraq is like a video game played as an innocent bystander.

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Patters

Obviously, that's the key question. Bush's war on terror has cost us 3,000 lives, made Iran more powerful, critically destabilized Iraq, given Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups a rallying cry, cost us hundreds of billions of dollars, and killed tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis.

You shouldn't let Al Qaeda's feelings enter into the equation, unless you want them to influence our foreign policy. We must act in our own interests, even if it's something Al Qaeda wants. An example you can probably more easily relate to: When terrorists killed 240 Marines in Lebanon, Reagan pulled out. Do you think he was allied with the terrorists?

wistahpatsfan

Very true....Nothing has been asked of us. We coast as if nothing's happening. What hardships have the warpigs had to endure? Waiting for the old "This is a modern war. Wars are different now" line from the rumpswabs of the Pentagon. If it isn't like wars of the past anymore, why do we still call it a war? Let's save that term for when we're really in a "war".

Fogbuster

One American Revolution general, successful at the battle of Bunker Hill, then at Trenton, Princeton, Bennington, and beyond. I used to live about a quarter mile from his birthplace, a tiny house about the size of Madonna's shoe closet, on South Elm Street in Manchester, NH. His name is John Stark, who once said: "Live free or die. Death is not the worst of evils." This is the motto of NH, by the way.

There is only ONE commander in Chief, not four hundred and fifty sitting in Congress.

There is only ONE state department, not four hundred and fifty separate ones.

If you don't like what the president is doing, cut off the funding. Then elect someone better.

In the meantime: get behind him and don't show any public disrespect because he is not just an individual, he is the head of the nation.

patsfan13

The difference is that when Al Queda percieves us a weak and indecisive it encourages them to attack us.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

scout

First of all, NH's motto, Live free or die, has fallen on hard times, don't you think? Pay much in taxes up there? The commander in Chief is supposed to be defending the country, not following an agenda cooked up by some think tank. The majority of congress do not want this war. The majority of Americans do not want this war. This war was never, ever, about terrorism. The reason for fighting this war has changed half a dozen times. You reason that we should elect someone better, does that mean we wait two more years of this disastrous presidency or do we rid ourselves of this "war time" president?

Real World

The vote is all politics. It's a chance for people to point at an unpopular war & president. Why don't they vote on funding if they're so serious? It's all politics.

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