scout

Breaking news, more to come. Does anyone side with our President on this?

scout

Iraq War right on course.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/...nce/index.html

PressCoverage

clearly, by Tony Snow logic, we can tell Bush is saying the exact opposite, that there IS civil war...

you remember "Mission Accomplished", yes?

well, Tony explained the secret code here:

Snow Falsely Claims That Bush Said ‘Just The Opposite’ Of ‘Mission Accomplished’

In today’s press briefing, White House Press Secretary Tony Snow tried to distance President Bush from his infamous “Mission Accomplished” speech, claiming that Bush said “just the opposite” of “Mission Accomplished”:

Quote:

I think the public ought to just listen to what the president has to say. You know that the mission accomplished banner was put up by members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, and the president, on that very speech, said just the opposite, didn’t he?

maverick4

What is sad is, the fact that Bush says this does not convince me or most other people. Bush has almost zero credibility anymore.

Holy Diver

Agreed. he has lost it...

scout

George Castanza Bush. I am a uniter. Wanted dead or alive. Will not enter a war without an exit strategy. I will fire anyone involved... Mission Accomplished. WMD. Yellow Uranium. 9/11 link to Iraq. Credibility.

wistahpatsfan

What a friggin embarrassment!
He's like this uncle I have that shows up at family functions late, drunk and talks crazy. Total embarrassment....oh wait a minute... that uncle is me!

Real World

I don't think it's a Civil War. If it were a Civil War then the government would cease to exist, and the military would not be fighting along side US forces, nor would they be controlling provinces, as they'd be fighting each other. The situation stinks, but it's not Civil War, it's sectarian strife. The problem is that the MSM has been labeling it a Civil War, or trying to, for 3 years now. If it was a Civil War, then why is the MSM still asking the question? Civil War sells better. It's a more sensationalistic headline. In Palestine you have Fatah and Hamas government forces attacking each other, killing each other, and kidnapping the others politicians. I'd say that is more along a Civl War than Iraq. Civil Wars tend to include government operandi, or are explicately faught for control of a government. Everyone's definition or preception might be different, but this is my take. What's really interesting the obvious need of some to call this a Civil War. I get the feeling that it's part of the pile on factor, like a "see, it's a civil war, it sucks more now" reasoning. Am out of line with that feeling? I'm asking.

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Pujo

Yes, like the government ceased to exist during the American Civil War.

Language is ambiguous, arguing about whether Iraq is a "civil war" or some other term is pointless. What's important is that Iraq's a major mess.

Real World

Read my entire post, and not just the first line.

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