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3 to be 4 wrote in the Who are we? sticky, "And if you are a Christian, find me in the Word where abortion is justified."* Intrigued, I did a search to find out what the Bible actually says about abortion, and came across this piece that provides a fairly objective overview of the abortion issue (and is posted on a site called Christian Bible Reference Site, which I know nothing about).
* 3 to be 4, from the link, "Surprisingly, abortion is never mentioned in the Bible."
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I don't give a crap what's in the bible, ripping a baby apart limb by limb is wrong. Pro Choice - how about the babies' choice to not be ripped apart in what should be the safest place in the world; it's mother's womb.
I don't give a crap what's in the bible, ripping a baby apart limb by limb is wrong. Pro Choice - how about the babies' choice to not be ripped apart in what should be the safest place in the world; it's mother's womb.
The way to get rid of abortion is to provide better care for pregnant women, more time off for new mothers (most developed countries give paid time off for new mothers), better medical and mental health care, etc. Passing a law to prevent abortion in the best case would result in thousands of unwanted, hungry, desperate kids, many belonging to very troubled parents. Your way is a sort of bargain morality in that it costs you absolutely nothing, but it also solves nothing (except perhaps a way of being moral and selfish at the same time?).
The way to get rid of abortion is to provide better care for pregnant women, more time off for new mothers (most developed countries give paid time off for new mothers), better medical and mental health care, etc. Passing a law to prevent abortion in the best case would result in thousands of unwanted, hungry, desperate kids, many belonging to very troubled parents. Your way is a sort of bargain morality in that it costs you absolutely nothing, but it also solves nothing (except perhaps a way of being moral and selfish at the same time?).
what a ridiculous, black and white, outlook. that to be Pro-Life means you dont want to provide better care for pregnant women, that you dont want to give time off for new mothers, that you dont want have better mental health and better medical care, that you dont want to support adoption.
And before you get on the political manta against conservatives, that is two ENTIRELY different subjects. You dont have to be Conservative and Pro-Life.
I agree the conservatives need to do more on the issues you listed.
And liberals need to get out of their denial what abortion is.
Exactly why does Planned Parenthood not allow their patients to view the ultrasound? Why does planned parenthood not talk to the woman about the adoption option?
btw, that link you posted actually provided verses that support the idea of Pro-Life. the commentary provides some pretty twisted conclusions.
finally, as Belichickfan said, take out the "intellectualism" of all this and just use some common sense. Do we really need third trimester abortions?
have you seen an ultrasound? Do you think a 6 or 7 month old in the womb is just a mass of tissue?
i guess if a parent wants it its a child. if they dont its a "fetus".
what a ridiculous, black and white, outlook. that to be Pro-Life means you dont want to provide better care for pregnant women, that you dont want to give time off for new mothers, that you dont want have better mental health and better medical care, that you dont want to support adoption.
That's not what I said. I was referring specifically to BF, who is generally opposed to such programs, as are many anti-abortion conservatives (including those in D.C., who generally oppose social welfare programs), but not all.
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And before you get on the political manta against conservatives, that is two ENTIRELY different subjects. You dont have to be Conservative and Pro-Life. I agree the conservatives need to do more on the issues you listed. And liberals need to get out of their denial what abortion is.
Exactly why does Planned Parenthood not allow their patients to view the ultrasound? Why does planned parenthood not talk to the woman about the adoption option?
I think liberals understand what abortion is. There are some things, like war, care for the terminally ill, and even the death penalty, where right and wrong aren't so black an white. Abortion is like that, too. There are times when a woman is in so much anguish that abortion is an important option. It's not a nice option, but life doesn't always give us pleasant choices.
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btw, that link you posted actually provided verses that support the idea of Pro-Life. the commentary provides some pretty twisted conclusions.
Did you read it? I posted it because I thought it was fairly balanced and interesting. I'm an atheist, so I don't care what the Bible says, but it is interesting to see how the Bible intersects both sides of the debate, and to read that the Bible doesn't actually mention abortion.
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finally, as Belichickfan said, take out the "intellectualism" of all this and just use some common sense. Do we really need third trimester abortions? have you seen an ultrasound? Do you think a 6 or 7 month old in the womb is just a mass of tissue? I guess if a parent wants it its a child. if they dont its a "fetus".
Ultimately, I rely on science to answer these questions for me, but would probably consider restricting abortion in exchange for legislation that provided better care for pregnant women, and young mothers and their kids.
The way to get rid of abortion is to provide better care for pregnant women, more time off for new mothers (most developed countries give paid time off for new mothers), better medical and mental health care, etc. Passing a law to prevent abortion in the best case would result in thousands of unwanted, hungry, desperate kids, many belonging to very troubled parents. Your way is a sort of bargain morality in that it costs you absolutely nothing, but it also solves nothing (except perhaps a way of being moral and selfish at the same time?).
Adoption. Not killing.
All that other stuff is crap. I'm pro-choice - I believe in the choice of the mother to get pregnant. She could use birth control. She could not have sex. Her choice. But it shouldn't be her choice to kill.
Paid time off for mothers ? What happens after the 3 or 6 months ? Does she get to kill the baby then. Liberal psuedo spread the blame solutions as always.
The way to get rid of abortion is to provide better care for pregnant women, more time off for new mothers (most developed countries give paid time off for new mothers), better medical and mental health care, etc. Passing a law to prevent abortion in the best case would result in thousands of unwanted, hungry, desperate kids, many belonging to very troubled parents. Your way is a sort of bargain morality in that it costs you absolutely nothing, but it also solves nothing (except perhaps a way of being moral and selfish at the same time?).
Ironically the countries with all the programs you advocate have the highest abortion rates and the lowest birth rates. AO I think this approach is bull.
The poorest children in any given society are those in households without a father present. 2 parent families given the best prospect for children to wanted and fed.
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The poorest children in any given society are those in households without a father present. 2 parent families given the best prospect for children to wanted and fed.
Now, now, let's not blame the families . . . it's society's fault. The U.S. sucks, remember ?
Ironically the countries with all the programs you advocate have the highest abortion rates and the lowest birth rates. AO I think this approach is bull.
That's not true, at least for the developed countries:
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