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NEM, on 04FEB07 in the thread that Andy Johnson started, I made a long post that you responded to. Due to the time that it was posted, I didn’t get a chance to address your response. On the days that I work, I work nights and then sleep as soon as I get home. By the time I had gotten up and found the links that I needed to respond with the thread was locked. You deserve a reply so I will do that now. http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=50098
Re: I would like a vote
Posted BY The Gr8est with my responses in red...NEM
Andy, I think a lot of the problems here with NEM are a result of Ian not allowing this forum to actually BE self moderating.
Patriots Planet has the well known "Assclown Asylum", and since they are willing to enforce it, it is an effective tool in keeping posters in line. There was a thread here in the last 1-2 months that requested that Ian allow us to have one and it was denied.
I think that decision is behind some of the more recent increase in animosity between NEM and most of the other posters.
So, have you actually counted the number of posters in this forum and those that are engaged in “animosity” with me is more than 51% of the total. Is that correct. I think you are off base, and somewhat biased. Before you make a statement like that, you better have the proof.
You are correct. I should not have used “most”, there is no way to prove that without polling the membership. I should have used “ many”.
NEM knows that he can continue with his rants and self-absorbed egotistical postings free of repercussions, as even the mods have said they are essentially powerless, and Ian has essentiaslly said he won't.
Actually, once again you are way off base, and biased in your comment by singling me out. In fact, I have been banned for using profanity, directly to another poster, while those that have used profanity against me, and much worse on occasion, have YET to be banned… so, once again, your facts are in the crapper. And, the only time I “rant” is in respon se to those personal attacks that are made against me, much like the one you are now doing.
NEM, I used you since were specifically mentioned earlier in the thread, and based on comments about the lack of power some Mods have complained about, and the fact that Ian had not stepped in to restore order to the board, that leads to the commentary on the lack of repercussions, and you are not the only violator. This comment also reflects a frustration with the turn that forum had been taking, towards a more uncontrolled nature. Maybe the recent loss to the Colts had made many of us edgier than usual. Certainly more than one of your supporters mentioned that you had been a bit over the top lately. ( PLEASE don’t ask me to find the direct quotes, I remember seeing them and it takes a long time finding them.)
The tenor of many of NEM's postings suggest to me that he thinks he has more power than others on this site and the lack of any sort of repercussions from Ian or the mods
help to reenforce this perception.
Once again, I WAS banned for 2 weeks for profanity against a poster while others, using that same profanity against me (and I have every one of them saved if you want to see them) have not been banned…You need to take you anti NEM glasses off before you continue to make a fool of yourself.
Specifically what I am referring to are the times when you have threatened to report a poster to Ian for some offense and have them disciplined in some manner. This certainly suggests that you have some influence with Ian that the rest of us don’t.
To realize that NEM is allowed to run roughshod over what used to be a great site is certainly frustrating to me, as I'm sure it is to others, since, if I want to come here and enjoy the many fine features, I have to endure NEM.
I ruin roughshod over no one and no site. However there are a few posters in here, namely BOR, who actually,covertly, does exactly that, with his baiting, his snidel little comments, and is the one who causes the trouble in his sneaky little covert manner, and even carries it over to the other Pats site with his avatar and signature. I think it’s time that you took your biased head out of your biased ass and accepted the truth, for a changer.. Might make you feel better.
Specifically I mean the “beatings of dead horses” and we all know what those are. NEM you DO make positive contributions to the, but I usually skip past many of your posts when they head off in that direction…and it is that way in far too many of them.
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I've tried ignoring him, but he posts and responds so prodigously, that when other posters quote something that he has responded to, well, there he is AGAIN.
Recently, in one of NEM's many rants about Mcdaniel, he said something to the effect that he was going to keep posting his oppostion to Mcdaniel until the Pats finally fire him I doubt that I put it as eloquently as you suggest, and maybe not at all, but in either case, if I have that opinion, what’s your problem. Do you have an opinion.
This was a bit more difficult as I really thought that I saw a post where you said that. I couldn’t find any post that said that although I found one where you basically said that about Charlie Weis when it was quoted by a poster.I retract this since I mistook NEM’s comments about Weis for McDaniel.
“He needs to be put to pasture, and I will do whatever it takes to ensure he never calls plays for this team again, after this season....NEVER.....” Post #258
. So a poster here has arrogantly determined that he knows more than the HOF coach who hired him and has delivered this fan base three Lombardi trophies, and not being content just to hold this opinion, he states he is going to engage in activism on this board until the Pats come around to his thinking.
That’s a damned lie and a lot of crap. And, you know it. If I said anything it was in the manner of saying Iwill continue myt displeasure with McDaniels and will do that until something changes, perhaps even with him. YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER WITH THAT DAMNED COMMENT…And I expect you to make an immediate retraction of your damned lies.
“He must be removed from that crucial position on the coaching staff.
He is going to ruin any chance this team may have of regaining their stature at the top of the heap...which was right there for the taking yesterday, if not for the inepness of Josh McDaniels.
I will be writing detailed articles of his season long ineptness and sending it to every media source available, internet, and newspaper media, as well as a copy to Josh himself, and Bob Kraft.
Josh McDaniels total incompetence will not be tolerated by me, any longer.”
That meets MY definition of activism, writing detailed articles about McDaniel and widely disseminating it…including to the team owner, the coach’s boss.
NO ONE other than Ian has the right to use this board to launch their own personal campaign, and NEM shouldn't be allowed to browbeat the rest of this forum with his old, well-worn, tiresome opinion. Listen Palsy-Walsy, I don’t browbeat anyone. I post my opinions , on this site, about the Pats, JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE. F you don’t like my opinions, or if anyone else doesn’t like them, you have the option of debating, or discussing them, NOT INTERJECTING PERSONAL REMARKS AND COMMENTS AS IS DONE BY BOR, AND A FEW OTHERS WHICH I WONT NAME,. NOW..including you, with this post. IT IS WAY THE HELL OUT OF LINE, AND DAMNED FALSE.
We get it NEM, you don't like McDaniel, you've said so many times...now (Please be quiet - edited)!
I take offense to the last part of that comment, as everyone should. It makes you seem, sort of, antagonistic. I have a right to my opinion like anyone else. In fact, I started very few threads about him..most of my comments came in OTHER threads , initiated by OTHER POSTERS where questions came up regarding the offense, and its lack of production in the 2nd half of the AFCCG. So, do yourself a favor, go look them up and get your facts straight, AGAIN..you are way the hell of base, again and again.
You’ve given your opinion about current and past OCs and you certainly have that right, but long after you’ve made the point you just won’t let it go. I think the constant wrangling over this leads to many of the ultra-long threads as this issue continues to be rehashed. Regardless of whether or not you started the threads, I still find it an annoyance having to wade through them, and I know I’m far from the only one to mention this. If he replaces McDaniel than your opinion will be validated, and you will be the first guy given credit for believing like you do. Drink the kool-aid and trust in BB.
Also, I want to apologize for the tone of the comment, it WAS harsher than it needed to bet. “Give it a rest” would have gotten the point across just as well, and I should have used that instead. I usually do.
Andy, if we can get Ian to give us an "Assclown Asylum", and makes it difficult to banish someone there on a whim or as the result of a pissing contest, then it is the most effective tool we could have to rescue this site.
The only thing this site needs rescuing from are people like BOR, and you, for making this totally biased,and for the most part, INCORRECT post. Your facts are all out of line,and wrong
Having an Assclown Asylum-type forum is a tool that can be used to help a forum be self-policing, and more than one poster here has said that is one of the things they liked the best about Patriots Planet.. The possibility that someone could be sent there is a nice tool to help posters think a bit more before posting. It is something that would be available, but hopefully rarely used, and even then mostly for unruly trolls who just come to the forum to talk smack. It would need to have a solid control to prevent posters being sent there just for “pissing contests” that get out of hand, with retaliation “Assclownings and all that.It would also not need to be a permanent assignment. Posters can be allowed back in after a certain time. I believe they exercise that option at PP.
BTW, while I agree with BOR, he did NOT put me up to posting anything against NEM or any other poster, and it is irresponsible of NEM to accuse him of doing so. There is no evidence for this outside of NEM's paranoia.
WHAT do you agree with BOR about? I agree with some of his football postings, and I assume you do too, right?
Do you agree with his constant attacks directly on me? Do you agree with him using something about me in a negative manner as an avatar and a signature line in a forum whereI can’t respond. Do you agree with him constant coming into threads in which there is a topical discussion and then adding his own little, negative, personal comment about me? Are those the things you agree with BOR on? Probably so, or you wouldn’t have posted all this garbage, right?
(Me- original) I state my OWN opinions here thank you very much.
(Me- new entry) BOR is more confrontational than I am, and I don’t express my displeasure with you as often. BOR has issues with you, and He has mentioned things he doesn’t like about you. Personally, for me the phrase “Box is right” means that, like BOR, and apparently several others, I have some issues with you that bother me. I won’t speak for any other of you detractors.
Generally, I try to ignore you when you are “beating a dead horse”, or engaging in what I see as attention seeking posting.
For me, what angered me about you more recently was when you posted in a “Get Well Soon Box” thread. A poster called him “one of the better posters”(quote may not be exact), and you mentioned that it wasn’t necessary to call him that. Why couldn’t you allow him to be given his accolades? In my opinion he had richly earned it. From the day he started posting I found his highly amusing and very knowledgable. I loved reading his threads, and I think that was small of you to suggest otherwise. He IS one of the better posters. As I recall, you used a smiley or some other method to indicate that you were just kidding, but I really found that distasteful.
Secondly, I didn’t like the way you carried on when the woman won Fan of the Year instead of you. Again, let others enjoy their accolades. I don’t need to delve into all the angles of the incident, but I really didn’t like how you handled it.
(NEM- original reply) And so do I. And if you don’t like them, don’t read them. If you want to debate them, I welcome that. But if you are going to be another BOR and make them personal, which you are doing in your post here, no one wants to see them, because those are the exact type of things that create all the problems on this board. Crap and garbage like you just posted which is directly aimed at me…and, quite frnbakly, I don’t like it, most other poster now are seeing it, and Ian doesn’t like it. And, it is posts like yours that are dragging this forum down, not me, not my
McDaniels rants, and nothing else, other than personal attack posts like the one you just wrote.
(Me - new entry) As I said before, BOR did not put me up to anything. Just because you have detractors does not mean that they are an organized group out to get you. People can form the same opinions independently, and that doesn’t mean there is an organized effort against you. You have several posters who come to your defense when you have conflicts with others. Are they YOUR posse? Did you organize them? Give them instructions?
(Me-original) As for the idea of locking or moving threads, that has only a limited effect. If it is a case where an otherwise good poster has "gone off the reservation", then it is a good solution; many of us have posted something in haste, and regretted it later, but when a poster becomes chronic, then an "Assclown Asylum" is the solution.
(NEM- original reply) And, by virtue of YOUR post, you appear to be the first chronic offender. Have a nice evening.
Box_O_Rocks no hanasu wa hoonto ni desu!
(Nem-original reply) Pleas enlighten us all as to what that means. Does it mean something like you agree with BOR, or he is your idol, or you and him are married….. Whatever it is, it makes your entire post completely invalid as it shows your bias.
BTW, is it Romanian, cause I have romanian friends that will translate for me.
It is Japanese, and loosely translates to (at least I hope it does, I’m not THAT fluent), Box_O_Rocks is right.
(Me-new entry) I added it to my signature when I saw others do it, and tried translating it to Japanese just to add interest.
BTW, has Ian said this move is permanent? Or is he using this like the Assclown Asylum where you may be allowed back in to the main forum some day?
I remember your apology thread, and I thought you were doing well for a while. I guess old habits are hard to break, and I mean that constructively. They ARE hard to break.
In that regard I am linking it here. I have no knowledge of what Ian has in mind for you, that is between you and him, but if for some reason Ian sees fit to let you back in here, or if you find another board to post on some day, I think jct’s suggestion is particularly good. “NEM” has a lot of baggage. If you could start as new user with “0” posts, and a name completely unlike “NEM”, with no references to who you used to be, it would be a chance to start fresh. You’d still be able to discuss the team you love with fellow fans, but you could change things about your style that you may want to change, and there would be no reactions to you based on previous reputation.
I hope you will accept this in the spirit it was intended.
Last edited by The Gr8est; 02-11-2007 at 07:24 AM..
mike allen (nem) has been permanently banned from this forum.. in fact, all forums on patsfans other than the political one
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