PATRIOTS-80

Well NEM, you asked for a political contribution to start discussion. Here goes...

lefty loonies

DarrylS

I try real hard not to believe this, but GWB is the biggest liar who every sat in the oval office.. there are a lot of questions never answered about 9-11, however when they are posted the only response is name calling. Will not list them, but when they are answered then I will be satisfied.. until then, I will be a skeptic about what happenned that day.

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Patters

Are you saying that you think 75% of Americans are lefty loonies? If so, I'd think that makes you more the conspiracy theorist.

scout

That's not an absurd number. We already know that the government lied about the health related issues in the area after that tragic day. More to the point, when has our government been upfront and totally honest with us about anything? It would not be shocking if we find out that flight 93 went down under other circumstances.

wistahpatsfan

The knee-jerk neo-cons are willing to believe anything the government says regarding the military or terrorism as long as the government is being led by a neo-con. The y also like to think that Cheney is anything more than a tax-and-spend freak. He taxes like King George and spends like a drunken sailor. But then the cons come up with number tricks that they use to make President Cheney look like something else. This puppet administration is one of the worst bunches to come down the pike since Hoover.

scout

That's rather insulting to Hoover. Hoover was brilliant. His problem was timing, that and he vigorously opposed government spending on people's problems (to remedy the depression). It seemed every time there was a light at the end of the tunnel something horrific would happen, as a plague. His Presidency was doomed because of the collapse of Wall St. Something that he tried to correct before it took place. The problem was no one wanted to make the corrections (Rockefeller, bankers, Roosevelt, etc.) As opposed to W and 9/11. Where Bush lapsed at his duties of protecting our country while asking cabinet members to find a reason to invade Iraq (prior to 9/11). If you flipped these Presidents' years in office we might have been better off, with Bush spending and Hoover not invading a country with no connection to 9/11. In addition, Hoover would have aced Hurricane Katrina as he had a similar experience in Europe which was unprecedented at that time and his performance was outstanding. In the years to come, Hoover's name will indeed be replaced as the worst......unfortunately, not do to reviewing his term, but due to the most inept president in the history of the country who is currently serving out his term.

Patters

Scout, most historians rank Hoover very low:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histori...tes_Presidents

Your point is interesting, but did Hoover ever try to introduce legislation to protect the economy? I think he was part of the old school, and Roosevelt brought in the new school of thinking with much more regulation.

PATRIOTS-80

nope.

I don't believe the poll # or the conspiracy theorists.....

mr3putt

Hoover is a great example of a leader unwilling to adapt to situations and change policies to ameliorate their impact. He was steadfast in his belief that market forces would inevitably correct the imbalances within the economy. He failed to recognize and react to the extrordinary suffering this collapse in Wall Street, Banks, and the Dust Bowl effect had on his constituents. History has judged him harshly. Bush/Cheney will suffer a similar fate.

scout

That's where he failed. He didn't make the offerings until it was too late. To his credit, he did try to change the banking regulations prior to the collapse. There were no margin requirements on borrowing and he knew this was a problem. Roosevelt, became President and helped us through this period of history, but he opposed Hoover's attempt to regulate banking and the stock market.