Fogbuster

And also (not to pick on you, BF ) what you are saying here is exactly what the NEA and other teachers' unions want the public to believe. They have propagandized this issue heavily. They make it sound like this money somehow "belongs" to them. Wrong. The money belongs to those who make the best product, those who produce the best results.

As has been said, half a TRILLION dollars are spent on public education, yet we are hearing all the time that so and so is "killing education funding". Pure propaganda. And for what?? To keep these folks rolling in money and power.

A lot of misused and poorly used money *ought* to be taken away from the education establishment if they turn out kids who cannot read, cannot do math without a calculator, do not know history, do not know where Taiwan or Ireland is on a map. Not to mention teaching about the value of a family. Don't get me started on that.

wistahpatsfan

What about trying private police forces or have small businesses that can start private fire companies? I'm not necessarily for or against that. Just throwing it out because I wondered if anyone knew of a Commonwealth law that would forbid it.

Harry Boy

Liberals have been hell bent on f-cking up the American School system for years ever since their "Crazy Bussing Crap" failed.

Liberals can't force dumb kids to be smart so they want all kids to be dumb.

If Possible "HOME SCHOOL".

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Harry Boy (Genius)

In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

Fogbuster

It's being done around the country; don't know about in Massachusetts.

With these functions it is a bit different because almost everyone agrees on the missions of police and fire-fighters. Whereas with education there is a much greater difference of opinion as to what is "good" and "bad".

Allowing people to CHOSE what kind of education they want for their children is sorely needed. These days of the monopolization of public education by a very narrow and yet highly ideologically-driven core group of people is dangerous. It is irresponsible to allow this to continue. We need openness, transparency, and most of all, level-headedness.


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Harry Boy

Liberals don't want Parents to CHOSE where their children are educated because Liberals want the children BRAINWASHED to grow up to be Socialist Liberlas.

When your child comes home and starts telling you about all the Looney Liberal ***** that they are being fed in the public school try and remove them if possible, there are still many good old fashioned American Value Schools around you just don't hear about them (they don't want you to hear about them)

Progressive Liberals are trying to take the country over, and they are doing a good job of it, when they do, Watch Out, your freedoms will vanish overnight.

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Harry Boy (Genius)

In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

Fogbuster

Well, that's the point: a certain group most certainly *DO* want to choose where they educate their children. They have chosen the public school system. And they want what they believe, and ONLY what they believe, to be taught to EVERYONE. And, interestingly enough, it's these folks who have gotten control of the school systems (NEA, Teachers Unions) who are most resistant to allowing any kind of moral education into the schools.

Then we wonder how boys children can be killing other children, how adolescents can be having gang sex with five-year olds, or girls are beating the crap out of other 12-year olds, or teachers (both men and women) are seducing BOTH girls and boys. Some have said that America today makes Sodom and Gomorrah look like a nineteenth century nunnery.

That's what happens when morality is removed from schools and society.


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sdaniels7114

What they really should call this law is:

"The private schools don't have to give a rat's azz about controlling costs anymore Act"

Anybody who's struggling to send their kids to private schools right now needs to find a world-class accountant and get real good at hiding money JIC this goes national. Demand for private schools just got a gigantic boost(Imagine Shawn Merriman with an elephant needle sticking out his rear end for comparison) and that can only lead to a gigantic boost in tuition.

Really, we should all pool our money together and start a private, for profit, school. If this goes national our stock will laugh in the face of HD or M$ by 2015. We'd be able to get a Patsfans luxury box!!

Fogbuster

Actually, more competition in education would strive to keep costs down, not raise them. In today's monopolistic control of education, there is almost zero incentive to hold down costs on anything: books, materials, or salaries. A little competition would change that over night.

Another factor is that most private education institutions have tax-except status. Makes is so easy to attract students. Take that advantage away by making private schools pay taxes and you'd see a much more level playing field. New schools of different types could open up and compete.

Patters

At least on the surface, the Utah approach looks reasonable since it gives public schools some money when it loses a student to a charter school. One of the big concerns of most charter school proposals is that they take money away from public schools, which will always attract the lion's share of students from low-income families. What I don't want to see is a downward spiral in the salaries of teachers (who in many areas are not paid well) or taxpayer funding of religious education. I also think that private schools should be subject to the same rigorous controls as public schools, meaning that what they pay, who they hire, how they make decisions, etc. should be public. As I understand it, some states have far looser laws governing charter schools than public schools. While many private schools are run by sincere people, there are also some that are more interested in money than in helping kids. For instance,

http://www.10news.com/news/9506326/detail.html?taf=sand
http://www.newsobserver.com/167/story/495000.html
http://www.capitalonline.com/cgi-bin...7/01_29-24/TOP

sdaniels7114

There won't be more competition in private schools, there'll be much, much less. When you don't have to fight for a limited supply of kids who's parents make the commitment to sending their kids to private school because the government just dumped an enormous pile of kids with vouchers in your lap, you can forget about bake sales and raffles and all the stuff private schools do to control costs.

Look at the cost of College tuition over the past decade or so. There's a very strong argument that the large increases in price can be tied directly to the changes in the Pell Grants and Stafford Loans that the Government subsidizes. Those changes opened up a path through college for millions and occurred just before tuition rates started to spiral out of control. Now its good that more young people had access, and there was the limit that a debt, as opposed to a gift, provides; but the unintended consequence was that colleges suddenly had way more students than they needed and that always leads to an increase in price.