Real World

Interesting article in Newsweek. Flush the quran down the toilet Newsweek. Anyhow, these are excerpts from the article.

Inconvenient Kyoto Truths

Was life better when a sheet of ice a mile thick covered Chicago? Was it worse when Greenland was so warm that Vikings farmed there?

By George F. Will
Newsweek

Climate Cassandras say the facts are clear and the case is closed. (Sen. Barbara Boxer: "We're not going to take a lot of time debating this anymore.") The consensus catechism about global warming has six tenets: 1. Global warming is happening. 2. It is our (humanity's, but especially America's) fault. 3. It will continue unless we mend our ways. 4. If it continues we are in grave danger. 5. We know how to slow or even reverse the warming. 6. The benefits from doing that will far exceed the costs.

Only the first tenet is clearly true, and only in the sense that the Earth warmed about 0.7 degrees Celsius in the 20th century. We do not know the extent to which human activity caused this.

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We do not know how much we must change our economic activity to produce a particular reduction of warming. And we do not know whether warming is necessarily dangerous. Over the millennia, the planet has warmed and cooled for reasons that are unclear but clearly were unrelated to SUVs. Was life better when ice a mile thick covered Chicago? Was it worse when Greenland was so warm that Vikings farmed there? Are we sure the climate at this particular moment is exactly right, and that it must be preserved, no matter the cost?

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In 1997, when the Kyoto Protocol's essential provisions were known, a "sense of the Senate" resolution declared opposition to any agreement that would do what the protocol aims to do. The Senate warned against any agreement that would require significant reductions of greenhouse-gas emissions in the United States and other developed nations without mandating "specific scheduled commitments" on the part of the 129 "developing" countries, which include China, India, Brazil and South Korea—the second, fourth, 10th and 11th largest economies. Nothing Americans can do to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions will make a significant impact on the global climate while every 10 days China fires up a coal-fueled generating plant big enough to power San Diego. China will construct 2,200 new coal plants by 2030.

President Clinton and his earnest vice president knew better than to seek ratification of Kyoto by a Senate that had passed its resolution of disapproval 95-0. Fifty-six of those 95 senators are still serving. Two of them are John Kerry and Barbara Boxer. That is an inconvenient truth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16960409/site/newsweek/

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BelichickFan

That's basically the point I've been trying to make. Find a real solution or (Please be quiet - edited) because asking me to conserve is bull when you look at the expansion of energy use around the world.

Real World

That, and this, was the crux of my point earlier about Kyoto. If it is truly the enviroment who's condition is in such a dire state that we only have "ten years" to change it as Al Bore states, then why such an economically, and politically driven policy? To me, Kyoto isn't worth the paper it's written on. If we, as in the USA, feels that it needs to curb its emissions, or pollution contribution, then we, as in the USA, should do it, but do it independently. All these people that are waving the UN flag on this one truly do scare me.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Harry Boy

If the do-gooders want to feel all important and gooey they should organize all of America's SUV Haters, elect Crazy Boob Gore as their president, they can call him "Mr President" then they should go to all of the planets third world ***** holes and try to stop the natives from throwing their garbage out the window, then teach them how to bury their grandfather instead of dumping him in the nearest river, these people should also be told that most of the world don't keep live chickens in their bedrooms, they should also send a group to Africa led by Jimmy and Rosylin Carter to pass out Kleenex and set up "Nose Blowing Schools".

We all know that the Bush family and White Conservative Christians are the real cause behind all this
f-cking ice melting.

The best way to stop Global Warming is to elect a Looney Left Wing Democrat as President in 2008, if we have a Democrat in the White House the liberal media will stop talking about all this melting ***** and it will all go away.

I am in Maine, and right now I am looking at an outdoor thermometer, it is 6 below zero.

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Patters

You quote from George Will and asking why such a politically driven policy? Obviously, the Republicans saw a political opportunity to embarrass Clinton who supported Kyoto. Dems went along with the Republicans (who had the votes to defeat Kyoto) so as to kill it as a political issue altogether. Now, with Bush in charge, he's politicizing it for the sake of the oil companies who backed him. He's shown no inclination to address environmental issues, though he did recently express concern about polar bears, so I suppose that's a start.

I don't think the issue is the Kyoto Protocol. While people like me would prefer that we take advantage of synergies and opportunities that a treaty provides, I'm perfectly okay with the US going it alone. The most important thing is that we address global warming. While there's an outside chance that the issue may not be as serious as some fear, there are enough prominent scientists who believe it's an issue worth addressing that we should so. The atmosphere is too fundamental not to err on the side of caution.

Holy Diver

I don't understand all of this....


whats bad about carpooling or recycling or driving more fuel efficiant cars? who gets hurt by trying to help out?

Oh yeah.....BIG OIL DOES!

Money money money MONEY.........MOney

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patsfan13

Nothing, you are free to do that stuff if you want. I just don't my freedom restricted by government fiat based on faulty science. So feel free to get rid of your car if your want please leave mine alone.

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BelichickFan

Don't want to.

My wife does that. I just toss my Diet 7 Up bottles in her bag. Whatever.

I do that too.

But none of it really matters.

Patters

Man conservatives do not like to help others, you know that. No one gets hurt by trying to help out, and no one is about to pass a law mandating car pools. But, one would hope as our nation evolves we'll be concerned enough about the environment to develop clean air technologies, more fuel efficient machines, and better mass transit.

Real World

That is the stupidest excuse I've ever seen in here. So Kyoto failed because of the Republicans? IT LOST 95-0. HELLO? ANYBODY HOME?

So your saying that all of your Dem friends in the Senate voted against their president and VP, and with the republicans, so as to kill the issue altogether? Well, if the evironment was so critical to them, then why would they WANT TO KILL THE ISSUE ALTOGETHER? HELLO? ANYBODY HOME? So your saying John Kerry & Co. have no principles, that the environment was so important to them, that they wouldn't even vote for it so as to make it 90-5? Why not vote for it, if the environment was so critical, if you knew it would fail? Where's the harm?

The insanity by the extremists of any, and every, issue, not just Global Warming, is truly disturbing. When someone waves a flag that has dooms day written on it, it makes me skeptical.

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