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Old 02-02-2007, 05:35 PM   #21
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SOrry beeen working alot. Travelling to many different states, yet arresting the same people when I get there.

That and I'm still can not believe that we lost that game!
Arresting? What do you do?

Yeah, real bummer bout that game. I haven't watched a single football show since. I can't bare the thought of having to listen to a Peyton fest. Great QB, cool guy, but man the MSM's glorification of him realy bugs me.

He is a phenomenal player though.
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:44 PM   #22
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Arresting? What do you do?

Yeah, real bummer bout that game. I haven't watched a single football show since. I can't bare the thought of having to listen to a Peyton fest. Great QB, cool guy, but man the MSM's glorification of him realy bugs me.

He is a phenomenal player though.
I haven't watched a sports show since.

That's sad.
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:46 PM   #23
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How many ******* times do you have to post that disgusting picture? We get it already, there's a man in balaclava that thinks he's some ultra-cool Cuban revolutionary.
Thats Bagdhad Bob, he had america laughing their a$ses off during the Iraq invasion, I loved the fu-cking guy his best line came when the American Troops were battering down the doors of the TV Station he was braodcasting from and he is looking into the camera yelling "We're Winning, We've Got The Americans On The Run, We Expect Them To Surrender At Any Moment Now, Praise Allah, God Is Great" then the TV went blank and Bob was hauled off to jail.

If Fox News was smart they would bring Bagdhad Bob over here and give him his own show, let him say anything he wants. Katie's viewers would drop from eight to three.
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Old 02-02-2007, 06:33 PM   #24
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Interesting that as a Libertarian you don't feel they have the same right to express their opinion that you do. Suprising you are usually consistent on these issues.
I was speaking from the viewpoint of the military. As Americans, they have the right to speak freely, but in the capacity of a US soldier, At least when I was in the AF, we were discouraged from speaking out in this manner publicly. That was for the brass. It is an inconsistency and a double standard...true.
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Old 02-02-2007, 06:59 PM   #25
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A) We have that in the military now. I hate to break it to people, but putting a uniform on someone doesn't make them a hero, or even a good person. The military is just like civilian society, with the same great people, good people, jackasses, and scumbags.

B) Rangel wants the draft to prove the point that politicians would be less likely to wage war as a first resort if their own kids were at risk.

HAHAHAHHAHA Guess you weren't around during Viet Nam when ewe had a draft believe me none of the Kennedy kids (just an example of the privileged class) were in any position to get drafted. During my time in the USAF I didn't come across the children of the rich or politicians. Of course the AF was a big group.

Charlie wanted the draft to try and stir up the anti war effort. Sorta like Reid and Kerry whining about Global Warming today when they voted against Kyoto when it was before the Senate, just demagoguery.
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I can see where the soldiers are coming from, but the point about a democracy is that people have the right to protest against policies they don't like. That way, the Republicans could protest against Clinton's intervention in Bosnia and the Dems could protest against the current war (or at least, they can, having voted for it in the first place). People have a right to say what they think and I personally think that includes the soldiers. It is INCREDIBLY dangerous for us to support wars regardless. What happens if President Hillary Clinton, suffering from a scandal with a male intern, decides to invade Iran to boost her chances of re-election? Do you support the invasion, even when the result is Tel Aviv being hit by a newly developed ICBM from Iran?

For the record, I was pro- Iraq invasion and am actually in favour of keeping troops there. I suspect I was wrong about the invasion as I feel we may have made the region more unstable. At least part of the invasion's problems are down to incredibly naive thinking in the Administration and there are some measures (sealing the border, keeping Iraqi security forces, stronger law and order) which really could have made things better.

That said, we now have a bigger responsibility not to ****** things up by withdrawing prematurely- don't forget that US troops aren't the only ones who are there.
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HAHAHAHHAHA Guess you weren't around during Viet Nam when we had a draft believe me none of the Kennedy kids (just an example of the privileged class) were in any position to get drafted. During my time in the USAF I didn't come across the children of the rich or politicians. Of course the AF was a big group.
The draft laws were extremely unfair. Rangel's proposal, not that I support it, would supposedly close all loopholes. Obviously, even if the Congress decided on a draft, they would reject Rangel's bill and introduce one with plenty of loopholes.

Heres how Cheney (another example of the privileged class) avoided service:

http://www.slate.com/id/2097365/
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They all know what Rangle is doing, he wants RIOTS in the streets.

This Racist bastard and the rest of those two faced Bush Haters better not start with their
"Africa War *****" if they do thats when the Neo Cons should start the "Riots"

Africans are no better than Iraqi's.

If Rangle should ever get his draft going and then wants to send your sons to Africa then pack your kids bags and send them to Canada or have them run off to Europe like Billy Blue Dress did.

If there are problems in the world let those Crooked Scum Bags in the UN handle it, America should never try to help anybody again, they all hate us so f-ck them.

Leave the Middle East for Israel to handle, Israel has Nukes and Israel will use them if that scummy looking little creep that runs Iran pushes them to far, Israel would never take the ***** America does.

Keep America Safe because the Radical Muslim will be trying to kill us for years to come.
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The draft laws were extremely unfair. Rangel's proposal, not that I support it, would supposedly close all loopholes. Obviously, even if the Congress decided on a draft, they would reject Rangel's bill and introduce one with plenty of loopholes.

Heres how Cheney (another example of the privileged class) avoided service:

http://www.slate.com/id/2097365/
Rangek didn't even vote for his own proposal when it was brought up. This is pure political grandstanding, sort of like the dems who attack Bush for not adopting Kyoto (Reid Kerry Kennedy, and a lot of other dems) when they all voted against Kyoto when it cam up for a vote in 97.
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Any soldier who feels "frustration" over opposition to the occupation of Iraq needs to remenber that they are servants of the United States. While I understand their frustration, they must understand that the only purpose for their existence is to do the will of the American people and defend them from external threats. They are in no way above any American who lives honestly and obeys the law. They want to have a debate, quit the army and call a radio talk show. And that goes for those who are opposed to the war and feel the urge to ***** about their situation in a public venue.


You have to understand; this is not an American war; this is a George Bush war. When faced with the difficult question if I was going to join the army or not, I decided not to - because I am not serving my country, I am serving Bush.

If I was alive during WW2, and Japan attacked our country - I would almost instantly volenteer. There is a massive difference between a war for you country and a war for your president.
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