QuiGon

I think all the parties involved should be forced to pay civil restitution. Of course, you can't squeeze water from a stone so it is easy to take the default stance and go after the corporation than the starving artists, and I am sure that is what the local pols will do.

Pujo

There's also something called qualified immunity. They were agents of a company that should have gone through the process of getting permits, the responsibility to get permits doesn't necessarily transfer to them because the company failed to do it. The company assured them that what they were doing was legal.

It's like if a store is breaking the law by not displaying their prices, you don't hold the individual employees responsible.

QuiGon

Don't be so foolishly naive. These guys knew that what they were doing wasn't exactly on record with city hall. They were sneaking around the city at all hours of the night putting up LED-screens on whatever overpass they happen to be standing by when the fatty burnt out... so please don't insult us all by suggesting they thought the entire thing was registered with the local urban planning and commerce departments. As we are learning, such LED-screens have become a new form of urban graffiti (which some consider to be artwork).

Now I will be the first to say they never intended to cause panic amongst the citizenry, but they cannot possibly be so stupid as to think all the necessary permits and documentation was all filled out and filed with the proper authorities.

Pujo

So charge them with graffiti, give them their $50 fine or whatever, and be done with it. The "hoax device" statute requires intent. End of story. That's why the judge was so skeptical. Their next hearing is in early March and that'll be the end of that.

Real World

I don't think people overreacted, you do. I think the authorities did exactly what they should have. Were they bombs, even though we all know they weren't, should they have treated it any differently?

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Real World

I couldn't agree more. These asswipes are accountable for what they did. Should they do hard time in Walpole? Of course not, but they should get more than a $50 fine.

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Real World

I know they're your friends, but to not punish these clowns would be a travesty of justice. That's the problem with this F'ing country. People do incredibly ridiculous things, and they are never held accountable for them. Everyone passes the buck. You mention graffiti. Here in Chelsea, there is a massive problem with graffiti. Some savage primitives have tagged half the houses & cars on my street. To think that it's "only" graffiti is messed up. These loser kids should be punished so they never do it again. The guy at the corner spent tens of thousands of dollars on new vynl siding and stucco for his home, and a week later, he's got MS-13 trash tagged all over the place. I just can't understand why people look at crap like this with such an accepting mentallity. By not punishing people who do these stupid acts, you only encourage more people to do the same. These idiots, and that's what they were, idiots, just fugged up a city at the cost of millions of dollars, and people are excusing them because they can blame a corporation. To me, all parties involved are to blame. Just cuz someone pays you to do something, it doesn't mean you are obsolved of all responsibility.

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fleabassist1

In all honosty, I don't think they should get charged at all. They put these things in 11 other cities, and they were there for at least a week.

Boston is the only one to react - a week later.

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Real World

Meaning what exactly? So I guess the statute of limitations on unlawful behavior is a week, and not getting caught in 11 other cities?

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QuiGon

Ah, but we're not quite "done with it" when only a $50 fine has been levied. You said the company should pay the $1 million (estimate) expense for all the additional security. All I am saying is that the company should not be held solely liable and that the individuals should be significantly fined as well - but, as I admitted, it will be pointless to try and squeeze water from those two stoners.