Patters

In your kneejerk defense of anyone conservative, I can only conclude this is just another example of your hypocrisy. If a foreigner came to America and stereotyped, say, us by calling Americans money grubbing murderers, I think you would be offended.

Were did they start stereotyping people and making racist comments? That said, whether you have sympathy for them or not, it's not hard to understand why Americans would be offended by their protests.

If they pass judgment on Americans to those who brought them here and sent them to college, I think it would be offensive. If they said black Americans were brainwashed and limiting themselves because of their skin color, I think it would be offensive. It's almost funny, sad actually, how the righties (who are always bringing up race issues) condemn the use of brainwash when applied to soldiers but defend it when applied to black people. I can't believe you don't get it.

Lastly, if you read patsfan13's story of these two Liberians, you'll find his time line is inconsistent. His father brought them here to go to college and they made their comments about American blacks; when I questioned him on this, he said they were here 20 years. Obviously, after someone is here awhile, and they understand American values and the laissez-faire way of life, they will feel more American. But, in my own experience (and I won't get into your hypocrisy on that issue), foreigners are not quick to pass judgment on large segments of society. I don't know what ethnicity you are, but how soon after your parents came here did they start making insulting comments about Americans of their ethnicity?

patsfan13

Why is the time line inconsistent, he went to Liberia in the late 70 came back and brought these kids here. I t was the 80's when they came here, we are 20 years past the mid 80's.

Spin spin spin.

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Turd Furguson

Its offensive to Patters and all libbers that black people can succeed in this country without their handouts and guidance.

Patters

In your original recounting of the story, you made it sound like they came here to go to college and then made their generalizations about blacks at that point. If they made the comments after living here 20 years, it's another matter, but still calling blacks brainwashed is something that's offensive and condescending.

Harry Boy

The "activists" in the "Race Thing" don't want them to succeed on their own, because that will put the activist out of business.

What would Jessie Jackoff do if suddenly they all became self reliant, he would probably have to go back to work in "the kitchen" spitting in Whiteys Food (he admitted the spitting that isn't racist Harry mouthing off)

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patsfan13

They made the comments after being here ~ 1 yr, their opinions haven't changed.

Funny you want us to base our foreign policy on the basis of what Europeans think about America and accept their attacks on our motives without question even though most of them have never visited much less lived here...

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

wistahpatsfan

Black people don't need our help anymore to succeed. It is false and insulting to believe so. Black people just want to be American as white people.

Real World

So I guess when you call someone names, or label people as you do, it's ok becuase you were born here and they weren't? What an elitist maroon you are. Your pattern of logic is the exact rreason why I have little tollerance for liberals. The majority of your ilk are total hypocrites, and elitists. If BF or Pujo called americans greedy murderers, he'd be entitled to his opinion. Whether or not I agreed is a differnt story. You've clearly stereotyped anyone right of center, the pope, and anything jewish or christian. Gimme a break bud. You are the biggest fraud in this forum. Get a clue.



How are the BLACK liberians comments about other BLACKS racist? Because you don't like their context? Because YOU don't agree with their opinion? Again, call the pope a nazi, call EC's Jesus Freaks, or stereotype anyone right of center, and it's ok. Disagree with Frauders and his ilk, and whoa, you're all racist bastards. Comical.



When you call the pope a nazi, should people be offended? Do you have every right to your opinion? Get a clue dude. You think any opinion that would paint any minority or lefty in a negative tone is offensive.


WTF does any of what you typed mean? Are you trying to say that all foreignors think alike? BF feels America is his home, someone else told him it's his adopted home. Pujo thinks you need to travel to have a clue about anything in life, BF doesn't. Who's right, who's wrong? They are all foreignors to the USA. My parents don't see everythign in the same light, just as my uncles, aunts, cousins who were born in Italy and came here as kids, or their children do. It's so funny how libbies love diversity and are champions of alternative thinking, yet feel that everyone should think the same when it applies to them.

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Patters

Where to begin.... (1) You can't stereotype an individual like the Pope. That's a misuse of the term. (2) I have never stereotyped Christians or Jews. That's a lie. (3) If a foreigner came to this country and said it sucked, I would stick up this country. I suppose you wouldn't. If a foreigner came here and said blacks are brainwashed, I would regard them as even more ignorant than an American bigot since they don't know America well. (Now, if they lived here for 20 years, I would regard them merely as ignorant as any other American.)

(1) Blacks can certainly be guilty of racism against blacks. I've known Jews who were anti-semitic, and some of the most anti-Catholic comments come from people who call themselves "recovered Catholics." (2) Calling the Pope a Nazi is not a stereotype. If I said "all popes were Nazis," that would be a stereotype. (3) I haven't called anyone a Jesus Freak. Do you have any other examples?

Comical.

PF1996

Flea's initial post is stupid. Affirmative action doesn't grant anyone automatic admission to college simply because that person happens to be black. Affirmative action also doesn't deny ANY white person the opportunity to "get an education". It may deny a middling applicant the opportunity to attend a particular institution but that person still has the opportunity to attend other colleges.

Affirmative Action is racist in concept, practice and consequence. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that racism is rampant in American society and that it negatively affects blacks. Blacks have not been "brainwashed by liberals" into believing that racism exists that does not exist. Blacks have been "brainwashed" into believing that they need whites to succeed. They need whites to give them affirmative action, they need white teachers to care about their kids in order for their kids to learn. They need whites in their schools and neighbourhoods for those schools and neighbourhoods to be worthy. They need whites to acknowledge that blacks are "equal to whites" and "no different from whites". Black Americans need to be taught how to focus on themselves and the things they need to do to minimize the impact racism has on them rather than being concerned with what whites think about them.

I've heard the claim, "blacks don't value education " repeated time and time again and I'm curious as to whether there's a poll to support this claim. I doubt that there is any significant difference between the value the average black american places on education in comparison to that of an american of another race. Where you would probably find a significant difference is in the actions that the average black person who values education takes in comparison to the average person of another race.