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Old 01-25-2007, 12:36 PM   #1
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It's amazing how much pub the 2008 election is getting. In keeping with it's popularity, here is a Time article and poll.

2008: Hillary vs McCain?

Thursday, Jan. 25, 2007 By TONY KARON Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, January 2007
Jim Watson / AFP / Getty

Hillary Clinton is the clear front-runner to win the Democratic party's nomination for President in 2008, but the Republican race will be a close contest between Senator John McCain and former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani — with McCain edging Giuliani by a three- to four-point margin. And a presidential face-off between Clinton and McCain, right now, would be close to a dead heat. Those are some of the key findings of a new TIME poll earlier this week that canvassed a random sample of 1,064 registered voters by phone.

Despite the buzz generated by Senator Barack Obama entering the race, the survey found that Senator Clinton would beat him for the Democratic nomination by a margin of 40% to 21%. Senator John Edwards is a distant third with 11%. Obama clearly suffers a disadvantage in profile among likely voters, with only 51% indicating that they knew enough about him to form an opinion, compared with 94% saying the same of Hillary Clinton. In Obama's favor, however, is his far lower negative ratings. While 58% of voters familiar with Hillary Clinton have a positive view of her, 41% give her negative marks, for a net favorability score of +17. By contrast, Obama's net favorability score is +47. On the Republican side, Giuliani has a net favorability rating of +68, with only 14% having a negative view of him. McCain's net favorability score is +45.

McCain, however, holds a narrow lead of 30% to 26% over Giuliani for the GOP nomination. A race between McCain and Clinton would be a virtual tie (47%-47%), according to the poll, while McCain would beat either Obama or Senator John Edwards by a 7-point margin.

Clinton's popularity within her party does not translate as easily across party lines as Obama's does, or indeed as Giuliani's and McCain's. Only 58% of the total sample of respondents had a very or somewhat favorable impression of her, compared with 82% for Giuliani (including 7 out of 10 Democratic voters), and 70% each for Obama and McCain — both of whom showed strongly among independents. These figures must be read against the fact that 94% of respondents said they knew "a great deal" or "some" about Clinton, while 73% said the same of Giuliani and 66% of John McCain. Only 51% knew "a great deal" or "some" about Obama.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...582130,00.html
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:40 PM   #2
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It doesn't matter if the GOP has a polar bear as their candidate, they will beat Hillary.
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My bet is: Yup.


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It doesn't matter if the GOP has a polar bear as their candidate, they will beat Hillary.
Nothing is ever a certainty, but I do agree with you more or less. I think too many peple view her in a negative light, and that it would be difficult for her. Asfor the articles figures, I can't believe Giuliani's numbers are so good. Just goes to show you that most people don't know about his history yet. It's why early polls are sometimes very useless. What does bode well for McCain and Giuliani, is their favorability with Dems. On the surface, it says that each is moderate. Which I think is the case anyway.
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Nothing is ever a certainty, but I do agree with you more or less. I think too many peple view her in a negative light, and that it would be difficult for her. Asfor the articles figures, I can't believe Giuliani's numbers are so good. Just goes to show you that most people don't know about his history yet. It's why early polls are sometimes very useless. What does bode well for McCain and Giuliani, is their favorability with Dems. On the surface, it says that each is moderate. Which I think is the case anyway.
She's a hack, no way around it. I'd only vote for her if I liked her opponent even less. Another election of voting for the lesser evil.
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She's a hack, no way around it. I'd only vote for her if I liked her opponent even less. Another election of voting for the lesser evil.
I feel much the same way. With the exception being I'd vote against her if I had too. Personally, I think the Dems would be making a mistake in nominating her. I'd like to see each party put up a candidate that was at least respected on both sides. I think too many people dislike her in both politics, and in the public.
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A democrat can win and win big only if he distances himself far far away from the Looney Hollywood Flaming Liberal Kook Moonbats, they have destroyed the once great democratic party.
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A lot of folks are enamored with this election, but don't see either in the final two... who are the extremes on both sides gonna like.. will only lead to an election that will be mud slinging all the way in. Need folks with less baggage.
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A lot of folks are enamored with this election, but don't see either in the final two... who are the extremes on both sides gonna like.. will only lead to an election that will be mud slinging all the way in. Need folks with less baggage.
Yeah but I don't think McCain has as much baggage as Hillary does. McCain is almost too moderate for the far right. McCains problem is he's such a known commodity. There's nothing interesting about him anymore. When people run for president year in, and year out, without much success, people look past them. It's why I thought Edwards was making a mistake, and why I think Obama is too. Run too many times and you become the Washington Generals. No one takes you seriously.
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Yeah but I don't think McCain has as much baggage as Hillary does. McCain is almost too moderate for the far right. McCains problem is he's such a known commodity. There's nothing interesting about him anymore. When people run for president year in, and year out, without much success, people look past them. It's why I thought Edwards was making a mistake, and why I think Obama is too. Run too many times and you become the Washington Generals. No one takes you seriously.


Good analogy, but Reagan ran in '68 (?) and certainly in '76. Nixon of course in '60, winning in '68. Bush Sr. ran in '80. Carter in '72 ?? Don't know. Billy not before '92, but he made his big breakthrough at the '88 convention main speech, if I recall.

So, running more than once is not a big problem. This is obviously it for McCain. If he doesn't do it now he never will. I don't see anyone more electable than him, on either side. Yet.

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