Harry Boy

It Wasn't The Neo Cons
THAT TOOK,
The melody out of music
The pride out of appearance
The courtesy out of driving
The romance out of love
The commitment out of marriage
The responsibility out of parenthood
The togetherness out of family
The learning out of education
The service out of Patriotism
The Golden Rule from rulers
The Nativity Scene out of Cities
The civility out of behavior
OR GOD OUT OF GOVERNMENT AND SCHOOL
It was the "New Loonies"

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Harry Boy (Genius)

In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

Pujo

Nope, the neo-cons simply took America out of its good standing and off its high moral ground.

3 to be 4

Both sides are full of it. Neo-Cons are out of their minds. And the people worrying about the high moral ground are into child rape films and abortion rights.

go figure.

We need a Centrist party in this country and FAST!

Pujo

I don't think anyone here is into child rape films. Maybe they are, but nobody's expressed that. What some people are defending is the right to show a simulated rape scene. I don't agree with what filmmakers all say, but I'll fight for their right so say it.

As far as abortion rights, I don't argue that point with the pro-life crowd because I do see their point of view. If you believe life begins at conception, then killing the unborn would be murder. I don't think life begins at conception (nor birth, I think it's somewhere in between - the point where the fetus is viable) so I don't see it as murder. But I don't think anyone's nuts for opposing abortion either.

3 to be 4

So if im not into ritualistic killing of children, or into mutilation, should i defend the right of a filmmaker to film a simulated one and to call people who have a problem with it "freaks"?
even if its their "right", it is still wrong and people have a right to fight that without being termed freaks.

on the abortion issue, you say it starts "in between" when the fetus is viable. then I gather from that, that once a fetus is viable you would consider it murder?
If so, thats a huge start. It would be a great start and please millions of people who are against abortion to at least have that common sense approach to it. At least then, the milllions of third trimester abortions and all partial birth abortions would be gone.
as it is now, anything goes.

Hows this, and i think this was mentioned earlier by another poster, let america see the child rape movie.
And then release to the theatres a vivid, 3-D movie, of an abortion.
for education purposes.

Real World

Amen. Oops! Sorry for the religious overtones.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Pujo

Yes, if they want to show simualted ritualistic killings, that's fine with me too. And if anyone tries to stop them, they are a freak, but they're not freaks for just speaking out against it (as you've been doing).

Third trimester abortions are only legal if necessary to save the health or life of the mother, and that's the way it should be. I wouldn't mind tightening up the restriction to only make exceptions when the physical health of the mother is in danger, so that mental health can't be used as an excuse for a third trimester abortion.

Before the third trimester, I support unrestricted access to abortions (using any medically approved technique), though I don't actually support people having abortions. If it were my wife or girlfriend, I would try to steer her away from having an abortion, but I would still support her right to (and recognize that it's ultimately her decision).

3 to be 4

yes, i guess her legal decision. a scummy one, but a legal one

Pujo

Do you know what's it's like to carry a baby? I don't.

3 to be 4

do you know whats its like to go through an abortion, to be aborted, to see an abortion?
I know women who have had abortions and it haunts them to this day. Planned Parenthood doesnt prepare women for that, they wont even let the women at the clinic see the ultrasound because, Lord forbid, they may want to keep the baby or carry to term and put it up for adoption.

and in all this concern about the woman, what about the baby, or as Pro-choicers choose to call them, "fetus"?
Watch the 3-D films, look at that life,then imagine it getting mutilated.
Or actually watch one or look at the pictures.

But "compassionate" Pro-Choicers wont do that. Its so "gross".

But Abortion advocates dont just want the right. They want it celebrated!
Remember the commercial with the little girl on the bike with the voiceover talking about how far women have come. This is our right!

Its a choice. Everyday we have choices. Some choices are awful.

And im sure there are plenty of boyfriends and husbands who will "support" their girlfriends or wives "choice". Of course they will.
one less egg to fry.

Lets be real: the womans life is at stake, thats real. Whats the percentage where thats the reason for the abortion?

Other than that its a decision based on convenience, of not taking responsibility, of self, of money, of a lack of value for life.

Sure its hard. So is responsibility and character.

But to think that way in this society gets you called a freak.
Guilty as Charged.