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I was doing my usual channel shuffle last night, both before and after Bush's speech, and noticed something interesting. I noticed that FOX had a repub presidential candidates on in McCain & Giuliani, MSNBC had a Dem candidate on in Obama, and CNN had a Dem in John Edwards. Now, I was surfing back and forth, with a little Celtics mixed in, so I might have missed it if they had someone else on, so keep that in mind. It was just funny since I view the 3 channels accordingly. Right, left, and leftist.
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The stations that had the Dems on did it right, for Democratic responses. FOX, as usual, refrained from hearing both sides.....
What about the Republican support then NEM? Ah, wait, you're a bleeding heart Democrat. That's right. So it's not two sides, it's just yours. None of the stations, after the speech anyhow (Hannity and Combs did have Vilsack and Giuliani on an hour later) had both parties represented. Mathews had Obama, Humme had McCain, and King had Edwards in studio.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
It's a shame that MSNBC has gone further to the left than Fox is to the right. Tucker is still good but Chris Mathews has moved WAY to the left and Olberman is so far to the left he's fallen off the earth. I used to love Mathews even with his left lean but he's a lost cause now.
It's a shame that MSNBC has gone further to the left than Fox is to the right. Tucker is still good but Chris Mathews has moved WAY to the left and Olberman is so far to the left he's fallen off the earth. I used to love Mathews even with his left lean but he's a lost cause now.
Funny you say that. I feel pretty much the same way. I used to watch Mathews EVERY night. Loved his show. He was a Jimmy Carter employee, so I knew where his leanings were, but he was pretty good none the less. The last year he's really regressed. My feeling is that he so dislikes the Bush Administration that he's let it affect his show. Understandable, but still a shame. He's become party obvious. Not as leftist as Odorman obviously, but Mathews is beginning to move out of the center limits, if he hasn't already. I still watch him though, but I have to add a couple of more grains of salt to whatever he says.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
The last year he's really regressed. My feeling is that he so dislikes the Bush Administration that he's let it affect his show. Understandable, but still a shame. He's become party obvious. Not as leftist as Odorman obviously, but Mathews is beginning to move out of the center limits, if he hasn't already. I still watch him though, but I have to add a couple of more grains of salt to whatever he says.
I'll watch for a few minutes that's it. I was pretty much disgusted with him when he discussed Plame Gate ad nauseum until it turned out to not be as damning as he thought and he hasn't touched it since. Sorry to say this but he's gone from someone who I disagreed with but pulled me in because he obviously loved politics to a partisan hack.
It coincided fairly closely with when Dan Abrams took over MSNBC, I think it's a network decision to be less centrist and more controversial to save the pathetic ratings.
NEM's point is quite valid. If the president gives a speech, you normally have a response representing a different point of view. That way you get some balance. So, if the president gets half an hour, give a few minutes to the opposition. If there's a lot of time, make it a round table with both views represented. If Faux did as Real World said, then Faux as usual was very unprofessional.
It's a shame that MSNBC has gone further to the left than Fox is to the right.
how is this even quantifiable?...
further, how is it even possible to be more extreme than the official propaganda network, Faux News? i wonder if MSNBC has overtly biased memos like these distributed to their news chiefs like Rupert Murdoch's embarrassment to journalism routinely has... mind you, this is a "news" executive, dictating to his team how to slant the day's presentation.... i can't think of anything more reprehensible in that field:
The following is a sample of reporting instructions issued by news exec. John Moody to the FOX News staff.
Moody on the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal:
[T]he pictures from Abu Graeb [sic] prison are disturbing. They have rightly provoked outrage. Today we have a picture -- aired on Al Arabiya -- of an American hostage being held with a scarf over his eyes, clearly against his will. Who's outraged on his behalf? It is important that we keep the Abu Graeb [sic] situation in perspective (5/5/04).
Moody on the war in Iraq:
As is often the case, the real news is [sic] Iraq is being obscured by temporary tragedy. The creation of a defense ministry, which will be run by Iraqis, is a major step forward in the country's redevelopment. Let's look at that, as well as the deaths of a US soldier in a roadside bombing (3/25/04).
Into Fallujah: It's called Operation Vigilant Resolve and it began Monday morning (NY time) with the US and Iraqi military surrounding Fallujah. We will cover this hour by hour today, explaining repeatedly why it is happening. It won't be long before some people start to decry the use of "excessive force". We won't be among that group (4/4/04).
The events in Iraq Tuesday are going to be the top story, unless and until something else (or worse) happens. Err on the side of doing too much Iraq rather than not enough. Do not fall into the easy trap of mourning the loss of US lives and asking out loud why are we there? The US is in Iraq to help a country brutalized for 30 years protect the gains made by Operation Iraqi Freedom and set it on the path to democracy. Some people in Iraq don't want that to happen. That is why American GIs are dying. And what we should remind our viewers (4/6/04).
If, as promised, the coalition decides to take Fallujah back by force, it will not be for lack of opportunities for the terrorists holed up there to negotiate. Let's not get lost in breast-beating about the sadness of the loss of life. They had a chance (4/22/04).
The continuing carnage in Iraq -- mostly the deaths of seven US troops in Sadr City -- is leaving the American military little choice but to punish perpetrators. When this happens, we should be ready to put in context the events that led to it. More than 600 US military dead, attacks on the UN headquarters last year, assassination of Iraqi officials who work with the coalition, the deaths of Spanish troops last fall, the outrage in Fallujah: whatever happens, it is richly deserved (4/4/04).
[L]et's refer to the US marines we see in the foreground [of pictures coming out of Fallujah] as "sharpshooters" not snipers, which carries a negative connotation (4/28/04).
Moody on abortion:
[Le]t's spend a good deal of time on the battle over judicial nominations, which [th]e President will address this morning. Nominees who both sides admit are [qu]alified are being held up because of their POSSIBLE, not demonstrated, views [on] one issue -- abortion. This should be a trademark issue for FNC today and in [th]e days to come (5/9/03).
Two style notes: [Eric Ru]dolph is charged with bombing an abortion clinic, not a "health clinic." ...[TO]DAY'S HEARING IS NOT AN ARRAIGNMENT. IT IS AN INITIAL HEARING (6/2/03).
Moody on Senator John Kerry (D-MA):
Kerry, starting to feel the heat for his flip-flop voting record, is in West Virginia. There's a near-meaningless primary in Illinois (3/16/04).
Ribbons or medals? Which did John Kerry throw away after he returned from Vietnam. This may become an issue for him today. His perceived disrespect for the military could be more damaging to the candidate than questions about his actions in uniform (4/26/04).
John Kerry may wish he'd taken off his microphone before trashing the GOP. Though he insists he meant republican [sic] "attack squads," his coarse description of his opponents has cast a lurid glow over the campaign (3/12/04).
Bill Clinton's book "My Life" may come out in time to let John Kerry have the spotlight by convention time. Then again, maybe it won't (4/27/04).
Moody on President George W. Bush:
[Th]e president is doing something that few of his predecessors dared undertake: [pu]tting the US case for mideast peace to an Arab summit. It's a distinctly [sk]eptical crowd that Bush faces. His political courage and tactical cunning ar[e] [wo]rth noting in our reporting through the day (6/3/03).
Moody on the 9/11 Commission:
The so-called 9/11 commission has already been meeting. In fact, this is its eighth session. The fact that former Clinton and both frmer [sic] and current Bush administration officials are testifying gives it a certain tension, but this is not "what did he know and when did he know it" stuff. Do not turn this into Watergate. Remember the fleeting sense of national unity that emerged from this tragedy. Let's not desecrate that (3/23/04).
Remember that while there are obvious political implications for Bush, the commission is looking at eight years of the Clinton Administration versus eight months (the time prior to 9/11 that Bush was in office) for the incumbent (3/24/04).
Moody on America's European "allies":
[At] the UN, Catherine Herridge will follow the US sponsored resolution calling [fo]r the lifting of sanctions against Iraq. Not surprisingly, we're facing [re]sistance from our erstwhile European buddies, the French and Germans (5/9/03).
[Bu]sh's G-8 trip is actually less important than his fledgling efforts to knock [t]ogether the Israeli and Palestinian PMs' heads. Let's keep in mind that the [G-]8 contains the most obstreperous dissidents against the war on terror. Bush [ha]s a long memory and new friends in Poland the rest of Eastern Europe (5/29/03).
Moody on what war footage to air and not air:
Five American GIs killed in Iraq in a bomb and an attack represent one of the grimmest days there in months. There is also footage of a mutilated body being dragged down a road which WE WILL NOT AIR UNTIL IT HAS BEEN CLEARED (3/31/04).
The pictures shown in the Times and NY Post today of the dead American contractors are exactly what we chose NOT to use yesterday. Please don't get sucked into this taste race to the bottom (4/1/04).
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What about the Republican support then NEM? Ah, wait, you're a bleeding heart Democrat. That's right. So it's not two sides, it's just yours. None of the stations, after the speech anyhow (Hannity and Combs did have Vilsack and Giuliani on an hour later) had both parties represented. Mathews had Obama, Humme had McCain, and King had Edwards in studio.
Lol, Bush had THIRTY MINUTES to make his point & present his side. If they gave a Democrat equal time, THEN they could fairly have both a Democrat and a Republican to discuss it afterwords.
Wow...there has been a shift in the electorate and you cons don't want to give the MAJORITY air time. Surprise.
Note: if you think everyones to the left of you, maybe you are too far right. Nahh...couldn't be you are the partisan ones.
Most of the cons are completely out of touch with reality. How did this happen? FOX FOX FOX, an organ of the Bush authoritarian presidency. They send their talking points direct to Murdoch to he can broadcast them.
These are the same people that sold us this debacle in Iraq. They pushed hardest for connections that didn't exist, and denied reporting problems as they arose. These are the same ones that have denied anything was wrong there for the past 4 years.
And with all their lies, they are still admired by the cons.
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