PressCoverage

great... however let's not confuse political pundits or talk shows with the general news presentation by an anchor... both networks have their punditry and news "entertainers"... however, when the main news host and the news presentation is cooked and slanted, as it is on Fox, that's where integrity wanes... i believe my posts on the previous page shows undeniable bias by the main man at Fox... and that's just the way Cheney and the gang like it...

you can go on and on about Olberman, or Matthews, or whoever, but until you show me proven examples of slanted news preperation and presentation, i've yet to see MSNBC show a bias in its field reporting...

Real World

The Plame ordeal really stuck out to me. He had it on EVERY night, which I remember cuz the the shows felt so redundant. Then, all of sudden, poof, it disappeared. That, and the Allen macaca/N-word bit. Allen was a boob, but he made that issue a nightly thing. He had some goof on who talked for 10, 15 minutes about Allen & the N-word, and then before his segment was over, he admitted he'd never heard him say it, and couldn't swear that it was even said. The goof said "someone told him". Huh? Again though, I do like his show. I liked how he rolled his eyes when Howard Dean wouldn't answer a question about the Dems position on Iraq prior to the election. It showed he at least knew BS when he saw it.

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Real World

Um, did you watch the speech? Cuz Dick Durbin gave a Democratic rebuttal about 4 minutes after the president spoke. You didn't miss that did you?

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Real World

Pujo, this is the way it always works. President first, opposing party second. There is no limit to how long either can speak. If the president took 3 minutes, the Dems could have taken 10. It's a matter of each having the opportunity to speak, which they did.

Guys, the only point I was trying to make, is that the channels seemed to present themselves the way I see them. Right, left, and leftist. I'm not hear to say one station is better than the other. Remember, I've been telling you people that all news sources have slants and angles. I'm simply bringing to light how I saw that last night.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Real World

Who's looking to deny anyone airtime? It's customary that the president speaks, and the opposition party rebuts. Bush spoke, and Durbin rebutted. I'm merely bringing to light how Fox had McCain on, MSNBC had Obama on (he really can speak BTW, too bad he's making the mistake of running now), and how CNN had Edwards in studio. I view each as right , left, and leftist, respectively.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Real World

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Nah, your right bud, Fox is the only news outlet that slants the news, or reports with angles. How silly of us for not realizing they're the only ones in the country who do it.

My bad.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

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Actually, I have to confess. I can't stand Bush or tv commentators, who are mostly loudmouth and superficial, regardless of their politics. So, I didn't see the speech, but I read it this morning.

PressCoverage

Plamegate "not as damning as he thought???" are you absolutely kidding?

anyone who denies that "Plamegate" isn't an incredibly important story clearly doesn't know much about it... if you'd like to debate the specifics of the Administration's coordinated and vindictive efforts to bind and thwart dissent within the entire CIA, let's get it on... it's among my favorite topics and i have oodles of information on the subject ...

the possibility that Matthews "suddenly dropped it" merely indicates that not much more could be said about it.... however, next week, when jury selection begins for Tricky Dick's confidant Frank Nitty, erm, i mean Scoot Libby, it will be all over the news again...

if anyone cares for more affirmation on Valerie Plame's intentional and illegal outing as an important, unprotected COVERT operative for the CIA, go to Barnes and Noble and read "Hubris" chapter 15, "A Cover Blown"... here's an excerpt...

She (Valerie Wilson) knew that Washington was a town fueled by leaks. But why, she wondered, would anyone have done this? ...

She assumed the agency would protect her. But it hadn't. And now her cover, both professional and personal, was blown. For nearly two decades, she had maintained a secret identity. Neighbors, friends, relatives -- they had no idea that Valerie Wilson, this poised and confident woman who had told everybody she was an energy analyst -- was a spy.

After reading the (Novak) article, Valerie Wilson zeroed in on close-to-home worries. Her career, she feared, was in jeapardy. Her previous operations -- the assets and sources she had worked with -- might be threatened. Brewster Jennings & Associates, the paper-only front group that had provided cover for her and other CIA officers, could be revealed as a fake company; anyone connected to it would be compromised. Intelligence services around the globe, she assumed, were probably already running her name through their records, looking to see if she had contact with anyone of importance to them.

... At the time, she had no idea that the leak had been caused by both Armitage's indiscretion and Rove's desire to discredit a critic.

Now, just try to imagine the outrage if the Clinton Administration perpetuated this offense...

PressCoverage

witty... now show me documented proof, as i have with Fox... and not just a feeling in your heart...

Real World

Please, don't kick me when I'm down. Please! You're right, I'm wrong. CNN, ABC, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, the NYT, WND, the Weekly Standard, & every other news source outside of FOX and the BBC have ZERO slant at all. You've shown me the light. I believe now.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897