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Just like the push for the Iraq invasion, the Bush League wants to monitor everything you do under the guise of protecting us... Perhaps next they'll insist on cameras in public bathrooms to monitor that awful spector of Drug Use on our kids.... Oooooo...

Is it fascism yet?

Feds Pushing for Internet Records
By John Reinan
McClatchy Newspapers

Saturday 06 January 2007

Minneapolis - The federal government wants your Internet provider to keep track of every Web site you visit.

For more than a year, the U.S. Justice Department has been in discussions with Internet companies and privacy rights advocates, trying to come up with a plan that would make it easier for investigators to check records of Web traffic.

The idea is to help law enforcement track down child pornographers. But some see it as another step toward total surveillance of citizens, joining warrantless wiretapping, secret scrutiny of library records and unfettered access to e-mail as another power that could be abused.

"I don't think it's realistic to think that we would create this enormous honeypot of information and then say to the FBI, 'You can only use it for this narrow purpose,'" said Leslie Harris, executive director of the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington, D.C.-based group that promotes free speech and privacy in communication.

"We have an environment in which we're collecting more and more information on the personal lives of Americans, and our laws are completely inadequate to protect us."

IcyPatriot

We cannot expect total freedom and security at the same time. Some freedoms will have to be lost in the name of security.

Some might get all testy on this subject and they have that right.

The way I see it in life is that if you're a law abiding person of decent morals none of these supposed freedoms being challenged is going to affect your life.

If we were a lesser country then one would need to worry. I would rather give up some freedoms in the name of security as opposed to the day America sees daily suicide bombings on our streets.

Why is it the people screaming about freedoms being challenged are the 1st to blame the government when there are security lapses?

PressCoverage

Here's a better question: Why is it that the people crowing "they hate our freedoms" are the first to sacrifice their own freedoms for the sake of paranoia?

Please, when does the "daily suicide bombings on our streets" drama come to a merciful end? It's become rather laughable. And what does that have to do with monitoring John Q. Public's internet browsing? Did you even read the story? Gonzalez admitted it was child porn he was fronting as the reason for swift legislation. Are you re-appropriating what it's for?

Big Brother eaves dropping on your daily lives is about monitoring your voting and buying habits far more than it is about protecting your kids from predators, or gathering intel on terrorists... Don't be fooled...

Regardless, I thought we "weren't going to let the terrorists dictate our lives?" ... I prefer my freedom in its entirety, not limited by paranoia, thanks...

Child porn predators?? ... Give us a break.... Hey, drinking and driving is an epidemic also... Should we all have a government-installed breathalizer machines attached to our cars' ignition also? ...

This is the most repressed, wacko administration in American history...

sdaniels7114

One thing that's occurred to me, when they want to slip something truly obnoxious by us, it'll always be hidden in the guise of fighting child molesters. Terrorism doesn't seem to have the same 'sheeping' effect on us that it had after 9-11.

"You wanna implant a radio transmitter in my azz and print a UPC code on my forehead? Are you insane? Well if it'll help catch baby-rapers, sign me up."

IcyPatriot

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Harry Boy

How should the American People be protected from the world of POLITICALLY CORRECT FAR LEFT LOONIE LIBERALISM.
It is the world that these crazy bastards created that allowed the Arab Muslim Bastards to slaughter 3000 human beings in two hours on the morning of 09/11/01.

Flight School In Florida:
Mohammad --"Hi, I'd like to learn how to fly a plane but I don't want to learn how to land it"
Instructor--"Sure we can do that"

Boston Logan Airport 7:00 AM 9/11:
Big Fat Security Person To Little Skinny Security Person:
Fat Security Person--"Here comes a bunch of Arabs"
Skinny Security Person--"Smile and don't say anything to them, we don't want to offend them we'll get fired"

If America is to avoid another 9/11 this country has to change, the practice of "If it feels good do it" has to stop, the enemy USES our freedoms to DESTROY our freedoms.

Wake up you f-cking liberal fools LOCK YOUR DOORS.

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In The Absence Of Law And Order Society Will Surely Destroy Itself

Pujo

They'll never catch serious criminals that way. Actual internet traffic can be encrypted and not even Uncle Sam can break through modern encryption. What this will allow is the government to spy on political opposition. How fitting that in the last few days it was disclosed that the Nixon and Reagan administrations had the FBI run background checks on opponents of Rehnquist's Supreme Court nominations in order to try to discredit them. It's only been 20 years, do you people believe our government is more honest now than it was then?

PressCoverage

i stopped reading when you suggested daily suicide bombing will indeed happen... where's my tinfoil hat?

Real World

FBN, I'm pretty much in the same boat as you. However, there is a limit to what I'll accept as a necessary evil, and what I won't. I was fine with the wire tapping, as it was targeting international calls from suspected terrorists. This one I don't like. This is a little to Zig Hail to me. I don't trust the government. Not always anyhow. The end of the article pretty much sums up how I feel about this one.


Internet service providers typically keep records of Web traffic only for short periods, usually 30 to 90 days, as a way to trace technical glitches. Many ISPs, along with privacy advocates, say that it's already easy for government agents to get the information they need to investigate crimes.

The FBI, without a court order, can send a letter to any Internet provider ordering it to maintain records for an investigation, said Kevin Bankston, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco-based group that promotes free speech and privacy on the Web.

"There's been no showing that mass surveillance of all Internet users, mandated by the government, is necessary for law enforcement," Bankston said. "If this passes, there would be a chilling effect on free speech if everyone knew that everything they did on the Internet could be tracked back to them."

The government has offered differing rationales for its data-retention plan, said Harris, the privacy advocate.

"I've been in discussions at the Department of Justice where someone would say, 'We want this for child protection. And someone else would say 'National security,' and someone else would say, 'Computer crimes,'" Harris said. "We're operating in the wild, wild West here."

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Real World

Well, it's not either or to me. I think there are civil liberties that we're going to have to surrender in the name of safety. My issue is the extent of what's surrendered. For example, post 9/11 is it that much of a bain on your life that you can't bring sharp objects in your carry on? To me it isn't. Well, thats something we surrendered. Now, with this internet records crap, I'm not in favor. They already keep them 30-90 days, and keep them longer if requested. That's enough for me.

BTW, Clinton wire tapped in the late 90's, so it's not simply this Administration, it's every administration. Had Jimmy Carter been president during the 9/11 years my guess is that government agencies would be trying to do the same.

Oh, and don't look now but those breathalizers might be closer to a reality than you fear.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897