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dear crazy guy: what is your point?

Real World

Like i said:

Congress can't do didly, except for refuse funding. How do you think that would play publically? Not well I don't think.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Patters

Why do you think that? Republican party loyalists and prowar people wouldn't like it, but I think most of the U.S. would like it. Since most Americans are against the war and a large number voted for the Democrats for that reason, it seems logical for them to support Congressional efforts to reign in the White House.

Real World

Efforts to reign in the White House? Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. However, as president, GW runs the war, and if he feels that more troops are the answer, puts out his reasons why, and then sends them, they'll be funded. Watch how this plays out. GW is going to put forth what he wants to do. He's going to send 20-25K in troops, and is doing so under the premise that Iraqi forces will control all 18 provinces by 2008. Which means there will be a significant draw down at that time.

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

Patters

If Bush offers a compromise, like you're suggesting, with the promise to pull out troops in a year, he might be able to get enough votes, but I doubt if his initial position will be good enough. (I not sure he really needs the votes, since he controls the government. I'm suspect cutting off funding is not enough to stop a war.)

Real World

From what I'm reading Patters, the plan is to boost for a year or so, with the Iraqi's assuming total control of all provinces in 2008. This is something the Iraqi government wants I guess. It makes sense in terms of both where the ISF is, and how long we can sustain such a stretched military. We'll see though.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897

wistahpatsfan

You're kidding, right?
Iraqi's are not going to be able to control their country without massive US military support. The second troops begin to leave, there will be a proportionate ebbing of Iraqi "government control". There has been absolutely nothing in the short history of a Hussein-less Iraq that indicates thet they have the first clue about self-gevernment. It's time to end the chirade that is the State of Iraq.

And you surmise that "This is something the government of Iraq wants..." but what has that got to do with anything? Are you saying we should be reacting to the whims and desires of a foreign government? Reactions that involve billions or trillions of dollars and more young American lives? In my world, that amounts to treason in the form of being a puppet of a foreign government. You can't justify such a position under any circumstances.

PressCoverage

clearly, i was talking to the lunatic post just before my own... not yours...

however, i suppose you're just going to keep repeating this mantra above because you insist it is so... even though it isn't so, as i've linked...

it's ok though, denial is one step towards recovery for all loyalists...

Real World

What did you link again? Something about Columbia I think?

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Leo Tolstoy, 1897

PressCoverage

here, i'll help you out:

how Congress can request withdrawal cost

numerous examples of Congressional authority