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In the plus column, there have been no attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 and Libya has moved to a more moderate position. We could add Saddam Hussein to this list, except for the fact we have discovered no WMDs or evidence that Saddam was a danger to us under the policy of containment.
In the minus column, 3,000 Americans have died since 9/11, Iran and North Korea are actively involved in the pursuit of nuclear weapons, anti-American sentiment around the world are on the rise, our borders and ports remain fairly porous, Osama bin Laden remains free, Afghanistan remains a haven for terrorists, and there's evidence that Iraq has become a recruiting and training ground for anti-American extremists. Many would also put the immigration issue in the minus column.
It seems clear that the neocon-Republican policies have done great harm to our national security. So far, this harm is only manifest in the loss of our servicemen and women and the increasing power of our enemies, but at some point these enemies will attack other American interests besides our troops. In the last election, the American people rejected these backward policies, and we have to hope that the Democrats and Republicans in Congress find enough unity and means to reign Bush in.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
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except for the fact we have discovered no WMDs
I am sorry sir, but I need to disagree with this statement. If you define WMD as nuclear weapons (which is not the correct definition) then you are correct.
Small amounts have been dicovered. Some may balk at small amounts but if I remeber correctly a briefcase of anthrax could wipe out NYC given the right conditions.
Whether you agree with the mess of the war and how to fix it has nothing to do with facts. WMDs were found and your statement is misleading. Small amounts were found and possibly used on our troups, and evidence pointing to large plans for manufacturing are evident.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
Give us a break with the WMD fairy tale. Everyone has moved on from that except the severely deluded.
By way of security, using Bushs own logic, its clear that security is diminished in one very clear way. Bush has claimed numerous times that we must reduce our dependance on foreign oil, as this would improve national security. However, our reliance on oil imports has increased under the gasman and as such, we are much more vulnerable to oil shocks.
His cronies love it. Us at the pumps, stuck with Bushs Saudi Opec friends and Fat Bastard Lee Raymond gouging and stealing....we're not so secure.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
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I am sorry sir, but I need to disagree with this statement. If you define WMD as nuclear weapons (which is not the correct definition) then you are correct.
Small amounts have been dicovered. Some may balk at small amounts but if I remeber correctly a briefcase of anthrax could wipe out NYC given the right conditions.
Whether you agree with the mess of the war and how to fix it has nothing to do with facts. WMDs were found and your statement is misleading. Small amounts were found and possibly used on our troups, and evidence pointing to large plans for manufacturing are evident.
So by that logic, we should invade every country in which has chemical weapons and terrorist ties? Thats a long list of countries that need to be invaded.
Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
The only chemical weapons that have been discovered are old and expired. That's why when Rick Santorum tried to make a big deal out of the discovery, it went nowhere. No chemical weapons have been used during the insurgency and no chemical weapons were used in recent terrorist attacks. Maybe you just think the terrorists are actually nice people who don't want to use all those WMDs that we've sacrificed 3000 lives and counting to destroy.
"A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions 'in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for.'"
Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
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In the plus column, there have been no attacks on U.S. soil since 9/11 and Libya has moved to a more moderate position. We could add Saddam Hussein to this list, except for the fact we have discovered no WMDs or evidence that Saddam was a danger to us under the policy of containment.
In the minus column, 3,000 Americans have died since 9/11, Iran and North Korea are actively involved in the pursuit of nuclear weapons, anti-American sentiment around the world are on the rise, our borders and ports remain fairly porous, Osama bin Laden remains free, Afghanistan remains a haven for terrorists, and there's evidence that Iraq has become a recruiting and training ground for anti-American extremists. Many would also put the immigration issue in the minus column.
It seems clear that the neocon-Republican policies have done great harm to our national security. So far, this harm is only manifest in the loss of our servicemen and women and the increasing power of our enemies, but at some point these enemies will attack other American interests besides our troops. In the last election, the American people rejected these backward policies, and we have to hope that the Democrats and Republicans in Congress find enough unity and means to reign Bush in.
Well Patters, we all know what your agenda is, but when it comes to security, GW has done far more in the good column, than he has in the bad. Bush haters always mention how Iraq has taken our eye off of UBL, well, how come they never talk about how Iraq has taken UBL's eyes off of the USA? AQ is so concentrated in Iraq and Afghanistan that the average citizen has been spared. He certainly hasn't done every right, I'd never say that, but the end game is that the common citizen has been safe since 9/11.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
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Originally Posted by All_Around_Brown
Give us a break with the WMD fairy tale. Everyone has moved on from that except the severely deluded.
By way of security, using Bushs own logic, its clear that security is diminished in one very clear way. Bush has claimed numerous times that we must reduce our dependance on foreign oil, as this would improve national security. However, our reliance on oil imports has increased under the gasman and as such, we are much more vulnerable to oil shocks.
His cronies love it. Us at the pumps, stuck with Bushs Saudi Opec friends and Fat Bastard Lee Raymond gouging and stealing....we're not so secure.
Hmmm...so why aren't we drilling in Anwar, or exploring the reserves off our coasts? I'm going to get a chuckle when Cuba starts drilling a few miles from South Beach. Furthermore, I think consumption has gone up under every administration. Bush has done no different than any president before him. Be it the lax border, immigration, oil consumption, etc...on lots of issues the reality is that it's always been a problem.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
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Originally Posted by Real World
Hmmm...so why aren't we drilling in Anwar, or exploring the reserves off our coasts? I'm going to get a chuckle when Cuba starts drilling a few miles from South Beach. Furthermore, I think consumption has gone up under every administration. Bush has done no different than any president before him. Be it the lax border, immigration, oil consumption, etc...on lots of issues the reality is that it's always been a problem.
BS...Clinton never held "secret" energy meetings and then turned around and handed big oil huge tax breaks and invaded an oil rich nation.
Wake up man. You are smarter than that. While Billy Blue Dress could have done much more in moving to energy independance, our reliance on oil from instable nations has greatly increased under Curious George.
Not to mention terrorist attacks have gone way up.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
One thing not pointed out is that many of the so called companies who specialize in security Blackwater, Custer Battles(oops they are in jail), Haliburton and many of these types of firms have made a lot of money and defrauded the US taxpayer out of billions of dollars. From a security point of view these companies have raped the taxpayer and put our soldiers in harms way. Now George is talking about another 20 Billion, and they are licking their chops.
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Re: What has Bush accomplished by way of security?
He has thinned out our national security forces! thats good.
He has our national guard pulling full time duty in two wars! thats GREAT
He has given our port security to a country that funded 9-11! Splendid!
he has proven that in a time of disaster, he and the federal government will move swiftly to assist in rescue. And not concern themselfs with profit, but instead be mindful of human life.
The Administration has done a fine job! I feel safe. So safe.......Lets do more to keep me safe! Tap my phone, torture a terror suspect, read my mail, read this email, invade another country!
I think what will make us safer will be a full scale attack / invasion of Iran. At last Americans will be Free....and most importantly.....Safe.
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