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My opinion of our military people is that nobody can speak for any 1 of them. Their actions speak for themselves:
Why they signed up?
Why they serve?
How they feel about the situation they are in?
How they feel about their experience when they get out.
All of that is personal to each of them ... but I don't believe it affects how they serve ... they all serve 100% ... no question in my mind ... even if the war is totally wrong or totally right ... that is not the nature of serving your country.
For my part ... I respect them all regardless of the political situation for which they may be serving ... they serve their country ... for me the respect starts there and stays there.
If any 1 of them has any doubts about anything ... that may affect their brothers and sisters by their side. There can be no doubt, their can be no division in loyalty because as they serve their country they also serve each other ... they say it all the time.
I respect them ... I support them vocally and monetarily and I think they deserve that. if they don't think twice about serving me then why should I think twice about supporting them.
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One can support the country without supporting every single aspect of it, and anyone who doesn't think that there is an element of brainwashing that's inherent in military boot camp, school and many other aspects of american life doesn't understand the definition of brainwashing:
Of course brainwashing is being attempted, and the public school system tries it on us for more than 20 years in some cases. I don't believe there was brainwashing to make the troops believe something about Iraq that they would not otherwise have done, but that's NEM's opinion, and that's something to be refuted, not condemned as a reason for banning. Boot camp is specifically designed to alter the way a person thinks and reacts, so to deny that soldiers are brainwashed to an extent is to deny reality. I think NEM takes a concept and misapplies it for his political purposes, but misapplying a concept (in this case, overseeing NEM's 'change' when nobody appointed you the arbiter) is precisely what you're doing with your attack on him here. I'm someone who fully supports the notion of going into Iraq and doesn't think we were firm enough in our methods. However, that doesn't mean that I shouldn't respect NEM's right to free political speech in a forum designed for it, or deny the reality that every U.S. soldier, citizen and student undergoes a form of brainwashing in this modern age, no matter who the president may be.
Stick to your behavior, which should have been enough to make you realize that you're going over the top. You have not behaved all that much better than NEM in the past few days. The difference is that he has ceased and you haven't. He's apologized and vowed to try to be better. NEM also admitted that he'd behaved wrongly, something that can be pointed out to Ian if he goes off the deep end again, since he's on record as admitting his behavior was not acceptable.
Now stop acting like a child and let's talk football.
wow, digger .. you got taken behind the proverbial woodshed...
good post, Deus...
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This thread was started on the main board and dumped here like so much garbage. I'd be for hammering it out of existence. Now assuming that it isn't hammered, I'm going to do something that ol' Digger is wholly incapable of doing and just ignore something that I don't approve of. I prefer to take matters into my own hands rather than demand that the mods deal with every little thing that offends me.