DarrylS

Couple of articles jumped out at me this AM, first of all from the projo.. 69 prison guards will start on Christmas eve.. big cost to already bloated budget,

http://www.projo.com/news/content/AC...S.2a9a06c.html

But that pales in comparison to California, where 6,000 CO's make more than 100K and a couple make more than 200K..

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...home-headlines

Overcrowding and other strains on California's prisons have sent overtime costs soaring for guards, boosting 6,000 officers' salaries to upward of $100,000 a year, with hundreds of them earning more than lawmakers and other state officials.

Overtime costs rose 24% in the third quarter of this year over the same period last year, after having leaped 87% — to $375 million, according to the most recent figures — since the officers' current labor contract took effect five years ago. At that time, about 500 members of the California Correctional Peace Officers Assn. made six figures.

What is often not considered is the cost of retirement for all of these folks, and even though it is based on their base salary.. we will be paying for all of this for a very long time, as will our grandchildren, great grandchildren.

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Harry Boy

Whats the "Liberal Solution", lay off the guards and turn the animals loose.

Does China have this problem, did Saddam have this problem, does Russia make a national hero out of a Coke Sniffing Wife Beating Ex Con and give him $4 million dollars because the cops gave him a little street justice (Poor Rodney)

Turn the drug users loose, put the drug dealer away for life, execute everybody on death row NOW, take away the TV sets and the Exercise Spa's, stop letting prisoners have "sex visits" with their wives and girl friends, make prison a "living hell" then you can get rid of guards and prisoners the gang bangers and the $300 sneaker boys will think twice before they knock you over the head for your "football jersey".

The creeps that are walking America's streets today don't fear prison, years ago the prison population was made up thieves, bank robbers and murderers, today you have your "third world element" and our Liberal society loves them, they are "different" this is diversity, "oh boy" aren't we kind and gentle, our prisons are overloaded with the "diversity crowd" but we aren't supposed to talk about it, make believe it isn't so.

There is a problem in this country with criminals but it isn't politically correct to address it. Everybody in Politics and Law Enforcement knows it but their career's would be over if they "Tell it like it is".

Live With It, and lock your doors.

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QuiGon

You know what's the most amazing thing about stuff like this...? How people like you see no correlation between the above statement and illegal immigration. Just like there's no correlation between illegal immigration and the 200 hospitals that have closed in California over the past decade.

Oh, but policemen shouldn't do anything about illegal immigration. They should only go after the real criminals and leave the illegals alone.

Harry Boy

There's a lot more to the criminal Illegal Alien thing but the media doesn't seem to want to talk about it, if an Illegal Alien ran into a burning building and saved someones life though it would be on the front page for two f-cking years, Cute Perky Katie would have sex with them on the nightly news.

We have been invaded and the longer it goes unchecked the bigger it grows and then someday soon we will pay the price, it's coming.

Bush shares a lot of the blame in this "Idiotic Pandering To The Mexican Criminal"

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DarrylS

Do you have statistics correlating illegal immigration to the increase in prison population?? Interesting enough the prison population surged after the initial three strikes and you are out laws. My point is the cost, not necessarily the politics. These figures do not include the federal detention and immigration centers.

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DarrylS

Are you one of those guys who situationally interpret the constitution to meet your needs?? It is ok to carry guns, but other parts of the constitution it is ok to modify or ignore. This post was about the cost of incarceration, not necessarily the politics associated with it.

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QuiGon

I don't think you understand how statistics and logic works. Your own post says that the prison population is increasing (hopefully you aren't suggesting I need statistics to back up something you posted). Furthermore, I submit any moron with half a brain acknowledges that the illegal immigrant population is dramatically increasing (especially in CA). I am cautiously optimistic that you're not so braindead as to dispute that point...

Thus, the relevant question is not "do you have any statistics?" because we both agree the prison population is increasing and we both agree the illegal immigrant population is increasing. Why should I research a statistic to demonstrate something we both already agree on...?

Rather, the relevant question at hand is: Are these statistics related or are they unrelated...? Is there a correlation or only a coincidence..? People like me say those statistics are directly related. People like you do not.

DarrylS

Any moron who just throws crap out there, and does not even bother to try to look it up in credible sources, NEWSMAX and Worldnet do not count, and then call people names. A thread that had to do with cost, it descends into right wing talking points. From the Department Of Justice bulletin, which is produced by the gov't might want to take a look at the most recent stats in California, never assume anything. You will note it actually went down in California..

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pjim05.pdf

Noncitizens held in prison (page 5)
6/30/05 6/30/04 Percent of all inmates
Federal 35,285 34,442 19.3%
California 16,613 17,890 10.1
Texas 9,346 9,048 6.0
New York* 7,444 8,027 11.8
Florida 4,772 4,834 5.6
Arizona 4,179 3,924 12.7
Nevada 1,402 1,242 12.6
North Carolina 1,182 868 3.2
Illinois 1,065 782 4.2
Colorado* 1,029 1,022 5.1
*Report foreign-born inmates rather than non-citizens..

Prison population Number of inmates
5 highest:
Federal 184,484
California 82,138
Louisiana 1,138
Texas 171,338
Texas 66,534
Georgia 1,021

The stats go on to say the highest rates of incarceration per 100,000 people occur in the states of La, Ga, Texas, Mississippi and Oklahoma.

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QuiGon

Want some cheese with that whine...? Where did I call anyone names...? Basically I said you weren't a braindead moron. OK, I officially retract that statement and sincerely apologize for implying that you are not a braindead moron. What was I thinking...?!?
OK, now I really regret saying you weren't a braindead moron. Newsflash: A thread started about the costs of prisons in California is going to touch on the issue of illegal immigration. That ain't a right wing talking point.
Yes, and I also note that almost 20% of all inmates are illegal immigrants.

Boy you sure showed me... illegal immigrants don't affect our high costs of jailing people... nope, 20% is a completely insignificant number....

Turd Furguson

Nancy Pelosi has a thing or two to say about this;