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As a nation we spend half a Trillion dollars on education. Me thinks that be enough. Of course, for liberal loons, it's never the fault of the student or parent, after all, they're poor. Being considered "poor" relieves a human being of all accountability. He robbed that store, well he's poor. He stinks in school, well he's poor. He has no job, well he's poor.
Reminds me of that proposal in NY to pay a cash benefit to welfare recipients who went to the doctor. HA! What a bananna republic. It's not enough that they live for free, but now we have to pay them to go to their paid for doctor. Lunacy at its best.
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Of course, the solution is to invest more heavily in poor school districts so that those kids have as much opportunity as kids who get to go to good suburban schools. But, that costs too much, so affirmative acton was a cheap solution to a big problem. Needless to say this is one of many issues that the right has no solution for. I would be for doing away with affirmative action (which is almost gone anyway) if we ensured adequate funding for all our schools. Too bad the BU students have such a simplistic understanding of the issue, but then again, they're Republicans.
Typical lib response more bad moeny after good In point of fact more money is spent per student in poor school districts than in good ones. Places like Utah and Iowa have far lower cost per student than metro areas controlled by dems like Newark NJ , NYC, Boston. There also seems to be an inverse relationship between the # of admins/student and student achievement.
As to 'right wing' solutions, it would be to have vouchers and give parents (poor parents in particular) choice. I would refer you to the writings of Milton Freidman and Steve Forbes on this topic.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Lets say that Harvard is down to its last incoming Freshman slot. There's two candidates, both have perfect 4.0 records in equal High schools, both got perfect scores on the SAT and both have equally compelling teacher recommendations. The only difference is that one of 'em can hit like Ortiz or can blow through the gap like Maroney. Is this academic institution allowed to consider this lesser, athletic skill in deciding which one to take? I think its silly to say they can't. They're entitled to be sick of getting slapped around by Yale on the Football field and the more athletic candidate is likely to end that.
Now is it necessary to score a perfect grade on the SAT to succeed at Harvard? No it really isn't. There's a standard that the admissions people use to decide who has what it takes to cut it at that school. I don't know what that standard is; but I'll guarantee it ain't perfection.
What's wrong then for the school to have a minimum standard for the SAT and have every candidate who meets it make that particular cut and then look to other things, other goals to meet, besides absolute academic superiority? What's wrong with Harvard wanting to have a better Football team or to have a Lute player for their band or to have their student body reflect the population of America? Even if it means having the freshman classes' average GPA drop from 3.9 to 3.86? As long as the students they accept meet the standard necessary to make it there why does it have to only be about grades? Why is racial balance such a useless, empty goal to so many righties?
You are setting up a straw man the way affirmative action has been implemented in places liek Harvard isn't a matter of splitting hairs as you post asserts. The differences are in many cases glaring. I would refer you to this article by Thomas Sowell on the issue.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Or how about having kids and parents who are poor give as much value to eduication as the suburban equivalents. Because ON AVERAGE (NOT IN ALL CASES) they don't.
That's a nice idea, but how do you do that considering that in many cases the parents never had the type of education that clearly shows them its value. Perhaps we should not only invest in better education, but also invest much more in adult education. But, I don't think that's a solution for the likes of you. I don't think you have solution to the problem.
That's a nice idea, but how do you do that considering that in many cases the parents never had the type of education that clearly shows them its value. Perhaps we should not only invest in better education, but also invest much more in adult education. But, I don't think that's a solution for the likes of you. I don't think you have solution to the problem.
Maybe we should absolve the lazy of all responsibility. Better yet, lets blank check anything for the "poor". Accountability is what I preach. The more you do for people, the less they do for themselves. That's fact.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
You are setting up a straw man the way affirmative action has been implemented in places liek Harvard isn't a matter of splitting hairs as you post asserts. The differences are in many cases glaring. I would refer you to this article by Thomas Sowell on the issue.
1) Harvard doesn't let any dummies in. Trust me I've met a ton of 'em over the years and have yet to meet one who pushes on the pull door. Besides whether they are 'splitting hairs' or not is your opinion which is not relevant. Its their school, they decide what's relevant.
2) a straw man is about falsely adjusting someone else's argument to better suit your debate needs, not proposing one of your own.
3) Your link points to a book about WWII in St Petersburg. I don't see the relevance.
That's a nice idea, but how do you do that considering that in many cases the parents never had the type of education that clearly shows them its value. Perhaps we should not only invest in better education, but also invest much more in adult education. But, I don't think that's a solution for the likes of you. I don't think you have solution to the problem.
Sure I have a solution. It's for the poor, whether black or white, to take it upon themselves to get decent grades in high school so they can do better than their parents.
This crap you're spewing about their parents not knowing the value is utter stupidity. It's like saying that kids need sex education or they don't know how they get pregnant. BULL. Everyone knows that you are far less likely to get a good job if you drop out of high school. So don't ask me to feel sorry for someone who chooses to do so. And don't ask me to fund adult education so they can learn to tell their kids to get better grades.
Sure I have a solution. It's for the poor, whether black or white, to take it upon themselves to get decent grades in high school so they can do better than their parents...
Yeah 'cause them 15 yr olds are sure an independent, mature lot
What if these High School kids haven't got around to learning how to read when they reach this enlightened age? Are they supposed to make up for 10 years of educational neglect in 4 years?
Yeah 'cause them 15 yr olds are sure an independent, mature lot
What if these High School kids haven't got around to learning how to read when they reach this enlightened age? Are they supposed to make up for 10 years of educational neglect in 4 years?
Look, I really don't care. It's not racism if blacks get poor grades. It's not classism if whites get poor grades. If the poor, of any race, are too stupid to get their kids to not repeat their mistakes . . . I guess they'll just be repeated and the cycle of poverty will be repeated - by their choice. But don't call it racism.
This thread could lead to a stupid Neo Con such as myself being banned, if I gave you all the logical common sense answer to this uneducated poor kids predicament the thread would LOCKED.
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