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Old 11-18-2006, 08:56 AM   #1
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Default Democrats' Agenda

Hi everyone ...

What do you think of the following Democrat's agenda:

(1) Repeal the tax-cut for the richest 1% American

(2) Reduce taxes for middle-class Americans

(3) Raise minimum wage for the lowest income Americans

(4) Restore college loans and aids for students

(5) Restore cuts in medical care for veterans

(6) Cut budget deficit and impose fiscal discipline

(7) Secure borders and inspect all cargoes coming into the US

(8) Impose tougher employer sanctions for hiring illegal aliens, but no amnesty for current illegals

(9) Shift resources from Iraq to Afghanistan/Pakistan to fight Al Queda and capture Osama Bin Laden

(10) Enact tough ethics rules

(11) Conduct all legislative sessions in public - no backroom transactions

(12) Strenghten Social Security and Medicare programs

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Old 11-18-2006, 12:09 PM   #2
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Hi everyone ...

What do you think of the following Democrat's agenda:

(1) Repeal the tax-cut for the richest 1% American

- While I wouldnt cry any tears for the richest 1%, in prinicple you either give everyone a tax break or no one. Why should someone be penalized simply because they're successful?

(2) Reduce taxes for middle-class Americans

- Thats fine, it would put further emphasis on spending reductions and cleaning up government waste

(3) Raise minimum wage for the lowest income Americans

- This is simply a red herring. Those who subsist on minimum wage will always need government to assist them and an extra 15 cents an hour or whatever wont matter much.

(4) Restore college loans and aids for students

- Dont college loans and aids already exist? Pell Grants etc...


(5) Restore cuts in medical care for veterans

- Fine with this



(6) Cut budget deficit and impose fiscal discipline

- See my response to #2



(7) Secure borders and inspect all cargoes coming into the US

- Agree 100% but inspecting ALL cargo coming into the country is almost a logistical impossibility



(8) Impose tougher employer sanctions for hiring illegal aliens, but no amnesty for current illegals

- Agree 100%


(9) Shift resources from Iraq to Afghanistan/Pakistan to fight Al Queda and capture Osama Bin Laden

- Either pull out of Iraq completely or finish the mission. Dont reduce troop levels there and leave the rest hung out to dry. I wouldnt advise going into Pakistan unless they have confirmed that they can indeed get Bin Laden himself.


(10) Enact tough ethics rules

- As long as they apply equally and fairly.



(11) Conduct all legislative sessions in public - no backroom transactions

- Fine



(12) Strenghten Social Security and Medicare programs

- Opposed to SS, it should be privatized. Medicare is also a big government mismanaged waste. How much can the inept federal government handle? How much money goes missing and unaccounted for every year? I'm unsure how to deal with Medicare but SS should be up to each individual in terms of whatever they put in, they get out.

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Old 11-18-2006, 12:23 PM   #3
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Hi everyone ...

What do you think of the following Democrat's agenda:

(1) Repeal the tax-cut for the richest 1% American
Raise taxes. No.
(2) Reduce taxes for middle-class Americans
Depends on how they define Middle Class.
(3) Raise minimum wage for the lowest income Americans
No. Let the states do it.
(4) Restore college loans and aids for students
No
(5) Restore cuts in medical care for veterans
Have there actually been cuts or just pseudo cuts in growth ?
(6) Cut budget deficit and impose fiscal discipline
Depends how it's done.
(7) Secure borders and inspect all cargoes coming into the US
Yes
(8) Impose tougher employer sanctions for hiring illegal aliens, but no amnesty for current illegals
Yes
(9) Shift resources from Iraq to Afghanistan/Pakistan to fight Al Queda and capture Osama Bin Laden
The terrorism is way bigger than those two countries, unfortunately
(10) Enact tough ethics rules
Yes
(11) Conduct all legislative sessions in public - no backroom transactions
Yes
(12) Strenghten Social Security and Medicare programs
Hell no
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Old 11-18-2006, 01:01 PM   #4
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Hey ... thanks for the response, everyone.

NEM ... while I agree with you that Geoge W. Bush should hang from the same rope as Saddam Hussein, impeaching him would return the House and Senate back to the Republicans in 2008.


Turd and BF -- Thanks. All I want to say is that there is a reason why Americans overwhelmingly rejected privatizing the Social Security program.

I think it is important for the Democrats pursue an agenda that will benefit all Americans, not just the rich and the powerful.

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Old 11-18-2006, 01:07 PM   #5
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Hi everyone ...

What do you think of the following Democrat's agenda:

(1) Repeal the tax-cut for the richest 1% American
Why, The rich are more productive with their money than the Feds. the richest 5% already pay more than 50% of all taxes. All citizens need to put some skin in the game. I would recommend the Forbes Flat tax, 17% minus a personal exemprion of ~11k per person. This would also get rid of tax breakes for special interest groups and do away with a lot of lobbyist, who try to get tax breaks for their special interest.
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(2) Reduce taxes for middle-class Americans[/quote]

What is the income range for middle claass? Ensure that all citizens pay some tax, currently many pay no income tax, this is not fair or healthy. People who pay no taxes have no incentive to see any restraint on goverment spending, that is not good. We all benefit from goverment we should all pay some tax. I would do away with the AMT. IF real tax reform doesn't happen.


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(3) Raise minimum wage for the lowest income Americans

In the area I live kids working at MC DOnalds make more than the min wage already, most peopel make min wage for only a short period beofere they start moving up the economic ladder. These proposals are more about class envy and political postureing rather than helping the por, stop illegal immigratants who are competing with the por for jobs.


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(4) Restore college loans and aids for students

There seems to be tons of financial aid available for students who want an education. I am mor concerned about the rapid increase in tuition, fueled in part by the ready availability of goverment (ie 'free' money).


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(5) Restore cuts in medical care for veterans

The dollar outlay will level off as the members of the WW2 & Korean generations pass away. Neither my Dad, nor my Father in Law both Vets, have had any issues with the VA.


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(6) Cut budget deficit and impose fiscal discipline
How? By raising taxes? then NO! By cutting spending (ie slow the growth of soending) or getting rid of programs, YES!

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(7) Secure borders and inspect all cargoes coming into the US
I don't think it if necessary or feasable to inspect all cargo coming into the US. BTW would this require warrents? What about people's privacy rights

This sounds like a program that has more to do with expanding the # of goverment workers than increasing our security.

Maming it harder for illegal aliens to get into the country, sure. BTW this doesn't apply just to people crossing gthe border with Mexico, almost half of all illegal immmigrants are people who overstay visas, this is just as serious a problem, I hear no proposals from either side to address that. I don't care if the illegals are from Ireland or Mexico or whereeer, they need to play by the rules.

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(8) Impose tougher employer sanctions for hiring illegal aliens, but no amnesty for current illegals
Yes, there should be a temp worker program however, also the rules about anyone being born in the US automatically becoming a citizen need to be updated to prevent people from coming here illegally and then having a child here and getting to stay by manipulating and cheating the system.


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(9) Shift resources from Iraq to Afghanistan/Pakistan to fight Al Queda and capture Osama Bin Laden
This is a world wide problem, much larger than just OBL, who is probably in the tribal areas of Pakistan and not in Afganistan at all. I would also point out that according to Al Queda the bulk of their human assets are in Iraq.

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(10) Enact tough ethics rules

Sure, and get rid of 'earmarks'
BTW.

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(11) Conduct all legislative sessions in public - no backroom transactions

Not practical, especially for national sec matters. If you reformed the tax code (Flat Tax) and reduced spending and unneeded programs you eliminate most backroom transactions. Eliminate the disease not the sympton.


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(12) Strenghten Social Security and Medicare programs

How? By raising taxes? Or reforming/restructuring the programs? The programs are a pomzi scheme and demographically unsustainiable. Our kids and grandkids will be crushed by these programs unless they are changed.

How do you propose to do that?
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Turd and BF -- Thanks. All I want to say is that there is a reason why Americans overwhelmingly rejected privatizing the Social Security program.
It's partly because seniors have been scared into voting as a block against it and partly because GW tried to make the argument and we know how articulate he is
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