IcyPatriot

While we're in a climate of political change...I hope we can take a look at our relationship with Israel and make some changes....minor changes across the board that will reflect our relationship with the rest of the Arab world.

Enough of the tit-for-tat stuff and who makes what weapons. Sure, we should help Israel protect itself the best we can. But why can't we just do it on a major scale...like the Patriot Missle System....major weapons of deterence.

I read this story and I was appalled. I am an Israel supporter and I like to even give them an edge if possible...but IMO stuff like this just causes us problems. The only reason for this is to line someone in the U.S.'s pocket with money. Israel should make all their weapons and ammunition that they use on a regular basis with the Palestinians. We have no business being part of that atrocity (by both sides) on an everday basis.

Here's the story....I do realize it has bias in it however
I'd like to deal with the shrapnel which is fact...weigh in please:

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-b...6/11/09/p12033

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[QUOTE
?I have seen some of the shrapnel that was recovered from the previous day?s injuries, marked clearly with ?Made in USA?. The shrapnel pieces seem unusual; our surgeons have not come across this before. Unfortunately, we do not have the time and facilities to investigate. Some of the bodies are totally burnt and have missing limbs and one them was covered with hundreds of pieces of small shrapnel.

?No-one is safe. This morning five and six-year old children wounded in a missile attack, were brought to our hospital. They were shaking and crying with fear. Their teacher Najwa Kholeef had been wounded in the head. A sixteen-year old boy and twenty-year old man had been killed.][/QUOTE]

I think we can dutifully help protect Israel without
being part of any of this. Again, I re-state, I am fully
aware that both sides are guilty of this...but we do not help protect the Palestinains...Iran/Syria need to do their part also.

DarrylS

Our relationship with Israel has effected us more than anything else in the mideast and the world. It is great to align ourselves with this cause, but the cause needs to be somewhat tempered if we are to reattain any credibility. It is almost as though whatever this country does we follow blindly along, or come in too late after carnage ensues.


Why do we stamp made is USA on this stuff, stamp made in China, no one would know the difference anyways??

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Harry Boy

You must be right, there are thousands and thousands of Jewish people here in America that must also agree with you more so in the entertainment buisness and law firms, George Bush and the American Troops have been standing up for Israel, the troops have been dying, America has been fighting the people that want all Jews wiped from the earth and the American Jews HATE BUSH, they even seem to be taking the side of the Muslim Terrorist.

I wonder if Jon Stewert and Streisand have any realtives in Israel.

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taltos

In the case of the Hollywood crowd, their embracing their Jewish roots and love for Israel comes far after their love for press exposure, money, and the socialist agenda. Ironically, much of the support for Israel comes from the Christian side, especially Roman Catholics. I think that we should support Israel since it is very helpful to have one nation that is aligned with us in that part of the globe.

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Harry Boy

I agree and should the Islamic Religion ever become a power in America and it is very possible it might with the help of the democrats, Hollywood would be the first city to burned to the ground along with the Constitution.

This gang of slobbering squealing politically correct cowards that just took control in Washington will someday probably nominate a Female Muslim Dressed In A Black Sheet to be our President.

The Muslim Terrorists all over the world were as happy as pigs in ***** at last Tuesdays election results.
The Terrorists that attacked America on 9/11 LOVE democrats.

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maverick4

Why do we continue to support Israel? From an observing neutral-country's standpoint, Israel is as much an abuser and killer of people as any other country in the Middle East. Sure, Hezbollah fights dirty, but what is with Israel's illegal use of cluster bombs and unlawfully painting Lebanon with hidden landmines everywhere?

The Israel special-interest group in America is WAY too influential. Why do we keep supporting a country that only 3 decades ago was caught trying to blow up an Egyptian U.S. embassy and blaming it on our enemies?

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Harry Boy

ANY INTELLIGENT PROMINATE PUBLIC FIGURE THAT WOULD GIVE AN HONEST ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE BRANDED A BIGOT, RACIST ANTI SEMITE AND THEIR LIVES WOULD BE DESTROYED.

NO PROFESSIONAL WELL KOWN PERSON IN AMERICA WOULD DARE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

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BruschiOnTap

Here we live in what is probably the world's first nation-state which based its laws on secular philosophical thought, making an effort to remove religion from legal proceedings. When our constitution was drafted it was a HUGE achievement for Western society as a whole. No state religion, no (legalised) moralism.

Then, for some reason, we helped (illegally) create and continue to support Israel, a multi-cultural, democractic nation-state with an official religious/moral agenda but in which most citizens are not strong observers of the state's religion.

As if this wasn't enough incongruity, many American citizens believe that defense of Israel is necessary because their religion is 'closer to ours [than Islam]' in the words of one acquaintance and many other people I've met over the years. Meanwhile, American society as a whole is becoming more and more secularised but these people still claim that America is a Christian society by calling it 'our' religion.

Islamists' #1 complain about America is support for Israel. We are fighting a 'war on terror.' Why don't we comply and see what happens, rather than this futile effort at creating a Muslim government that will (supposedly) ally with us (Iraq)??? Oh yeah, that would be giving in to the demands of terrorists. But with our government's definition of 'terrorist' wouldn't those involved with the Boston Tea Party also be terrorists? Didn't we think Britain should agree to our demands?

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BruschiOnTap

Here we live in what is probably the world's first nation-state which based its laws on secular philosophical thought, making an effort to remove religion from legal proceedings. When our constitution was drafted it was a HUGE achievement for Western society as a whole. No state religion, no (legalised) moralism.

Then, for some reason, we helped (illegally) create and continue to support Israel, a multi-cultural, democractic nation-state with an official religious/moral agenda but in which most citizens are not strong observers of the state's religion.

As if this wasn't enough incongruity, many American citizens believe that defense of Israel is necessary because their religion is 'closer to ours [than Islam]' in the words of one acquaintance and many other people I've met over the years. Meanwhile, American society as a whole is becoming more and more secularised but these people still claim that America is a Christian society by calling it 'our' religion.

Islamists' #1 complain about America is support for Israel. We are fighting a 'war on terror.' Why don't we comply and see what happens, rather than this futile effort at creating a Muslim government that will (supposedly) ally with us (Iraq)??? Oh yeah, that would be giving in to the demands of terrorists. But with our government's definition of 'terrorist' wouldn't those involved with the Boston Tea Party also be terrorists? Didn't we think Britain should agree to our demands?

All of this seems like a nation-state-society-culture taking huge steps backwards for reasons that are unclear

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Real World

Illegal to whom? Do your homework on cluster bombs. We've been through that already.

Also, why is it that people always point at the West as being "illegal". WTF. When Hezbollah target civilian cities where is the outcry? When Hezbollah uses schools and hospitals as cover to fire from, where's the criticism? When Hezbollah uses the UN as a shield, why is Israel blamed for colateral damage? Israel is no saint. They are guilty of numerous infractions. But the favorism to terrorist acts is unconscienable. By not laying blame on the animals the sicophants are condoning their actions, and are encouraging them to do worse.

As for US weaponry. ??????? So we sell arms to Israel. And? The Russians and Chinese sell arms to people who use it to kill Israeli's and Americans. Is the arguement that nations should not sell arms altogether, or is it that America is the only azzhole in the world because the US is always treated differently? When an AK 47 kills an american or israeli, do we chastise Russia?

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