3 to be 4

not just woman. Men have a responsibility in this too. Too many men are just as glad to have the "problem" eliminated in the name of the "womans choice"

Ive been saying for some time that people who think its a grand "choice" should watch one first, and then tell me the same thing.

patsfan13

Excellent point it does take 2 to tango. Life involves choices and RESPONSIBILITY.

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Patters

It amazes me that so many of you have such a simplistic understanding of abortion. You seem to think that for these women, abortion is nothing more than a standard procedure. You seem to think that for these women, it's not an emotional and difficult decision. You seem to forget that many women who have abortions are religious and some even regard abortion as a terrible thing. Your utter contempt for those women who make the extremely difficult decision to have an abortion makes me think you don't care for human life, you care for power over women. You have no sympathy for the impoverished, frightened women who make this difficult decision. The real tragedy in this is your utter lack of compassion for human beings, some of them victims of all sorts of abuse or lacking anyone to help them out (due in part to tax cuts to social programs). If you're really against abortion then you would want to do more for kids and mothers in terms of health care, day care, job training, and time off. I believe most of you are hypocrites, and seeing how you for so long embraced a war that's killed thousands of innocent people, I don't believe you give a damn for the "unborn."

3 to be 4

how did you make the leap that any of us are against doing more in terms of healthcare, daycare, job training, and time off? And are for the war? Im a Democrat. Im for all those things you mentioned and im against the war. Why dont these women take responsibility and access the alternative of adoption?
did you actually say we dont care for human life because we think abortion is wrong?

patsfan13

Ah, a little Liberial elitism and hubris to start with.

If the really regarded killing their children as a terrible thing they wouldn't KILL them. They have other options like putting the children ip for adoption.


Oh goodie the bleeding heart liberial indignation stereotype speeh. I don't have contempt for the women who have the abortions (in most cases), I do have contempt for the liberial social values and the feminist who denigrate the worth of the children being killed in the pursuit of their political agenda.

Liberials love to talk about their compassion for the women who choose (for whatever reasons) to kill their children, but none for the innoncent babies that are being butchered. I don't want power over women anymore than I want power over sexual preadtors, I want the innoncent protected.

How about YOUR compassion for babies who have never harmed anyone being killed as a matter of socual convience.

Birth control is freely available, if people took responsibility for their actions we would need the expansive social programs you are so enamoured of.



Most abortions aren't done because of the lack of welfare programs. Indeed it is the poor who tend to have more live births per capita than the middle class and wealthy.

BTW how does you theory account for the massive # of abortions in Europe the socialist paradise the libs want to emulate? Indeed there is a direct correlation between how far to the left a country is and the # of abortions, see Russia and the Eastern lBlock with 'free' health care and day care and so on but more abortions than live births.

Sorry your premise is BS IMO.

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IcyPatriot

Yes...men do have something to do with this ... especially when they have no value for human life and intentionally get women pregnant so they can have a welfare house to live free in.... making a life = free ride.

sdaniels7114

So even if the 'baby' is smaller than a quarter, it should get a full funeral, casket, grave liner and headstone? Should they also figure out weather its a boy or a girl and put a Catcher's Mitt or a Dora the Explorer doll in the casket with the child too?

I just don't see a Doctor taking an aborted fetus and shooting it into the nearest garbage can like its a Basketball with the nurse giving him a high five if he hits from three-point-land, and then having that fetus burned along with the day's garbage; but that's just me. I know I'm an optimist, maybe I'm naive too?

Patters

I wasn't referring to you, 3 to be 4. I was referring to the righties who posted and continue to post harsh and political comments (as Patsfan13 does) about an issue that for many women, regardless of their stand, is deeply personal, difficult, and painful. I know, unlike patsfan13, you wouldn't avoid the issue of social benefits to accuse me, feminists, and others of "liberal indignation" and then, after politicizing the issue, accuse me of politicizing the issue! The issue has a political component, of course, but the tone of all the anti-abortion people in this thread, except you, is cold, sarcastic, and insensitive to the women who feel they must have abortions. I believe the right-wing morality is designed around low taxes, not compassion, and that's why it's so easy for them to oppose abortion (especially federal funding), gay rights (no cost), and even things like environmental protection (very expensive).

Further, patsfan13, unlike you, tends to throw out facts without backing them up. For instance, his claim about widespread abortion in liberal Europe is not supported by the facts:

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html

It appears that some of the most liberal and caring countries -- like Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, not to mention France and Spain, have a lower incidence of abortion than the U.S. Perhaps he'll use his same reasoning to conclude that our conservative (anti-social program) values have driven many women into a state where they the need to have abortions. But, of course, he won't use his same reasoning to conclude that, because as I already said, the motive of many anti-abortion people has little or even nothing to do with being pro-life.

Harry Boy

Liberals could be talking about a blizzard up in the North Pole and it wouldn't be long before that word "healthcare" or "poor people" would be thrown in there, the poor people in America have "medicaid" liberals never mention it, the people on Medicaid get better health care than I do, I paid $281 to have a tooth filled, poor people get the same thing for nothing.

The liberals want the USA to go "Communist", they want the truck drivers, carpenters, firefighters, cops, and rubbish men to be "Poor People".

As Al Pacino would say "F-ck Them"

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BelichickFan

I'm a little late to this but . . . wow. You're OK having a baby torn to pieces inside what should be the safest place in the world - it's mother . . . but then you want it treated with respect ? Do you mean all the decapitated pieces, or just some of them