DarrylS

Another drive by Neo Con saying that the War in Iraq is going nowhere, time to change the focus and direction of this effort. Wonder if GWB will listen to Daddy's top aide, or if he will just sweep this report under the rug. Or if Baker will be dismissed as just another disgruntled beltway loon.

http://www.nysun.com/article/41371?page_no=1

By ELI LAKE - Staff Reporter of the Sun
October 12, 2006
WASHINGTON — A commission formed to assess the Iraq war and recommend a new course has ruled out the prospect of victory for America, according to draft policy options shared with The New York Sun by commission officials.

Currently, the 10-member commission — headed by a secretary of state for President George H.W. Bush, James Baker — is considering two option papers, "Stability First" and "Redeploy and Contain," both of which rule out any prospect of making Iraq a stable democracy in the near term.

More telling, however, is the ruling out of two options last month. One advocated minor fixes to the current war plan but kept intact the long-term vision of democracy in Iraq with regular elections. The second proposed that coalition forces focus their attacks only on Al Qaeda and not the wider insurgency.

Instead, the commission is headed toward presenting President Bush with two clear policy choices that contradict his rhetoric of establishing democracy in Iraq. The more palatable of the two choices for the White House, "Stability First," argues that the military should focus on stabilizing Baghdad while the American Embassy should work toward political accommodation with insurgents. The goal of nurturing a democracy in Iraq is dropped.

The option papers, which sources inside the commission have stressed are still being amended and revised as the panel wraps up its work, give a clearer picture of what Mr. Baker meant in recent interviews when he called for a course adjustment

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patsfan13

J Baker may be many things a 'Neo Con' isn't one of them.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

patsfan13

In terms of foreign policy J Baker has always been in favor of maintianing the status quo, sorta like Kissenger. Guys like Wolfwitz, are neo cons.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Sir Otilc

More ignorant hatred. Do you know anything about the electoral college, or the Florida Supreme Court overstepping their authority or any of the Democrat bullshoot that went on in Florida in 2000?

No, you don't, because it doesn't fit your "Bush sucks" template of hatred.

DarrylS

What do you think about what Baker did here? Or are you just content at slinging mud against NEM??

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patsfan13

Well the panel appears to be 'bipartisan' so i suspect that one or more of the dems are leaking thier spin before the election. There are no actual quotes from the report or any facts used to support the supposed conclusion.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

patsfan13

BTW if you check the record Baker was against taking out Saddam during GWI, to appease the Saudi's and was against GWII.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

Sir Otilc

Unless Baker is in a position to dictate policy, his opinion is just as valid as any other opinion.

DarrylS

How does this become a credibility argument about Baker? A confident of George senior and a man who has access to GWB was asked to head a panel.. somehow instead of looking at what he did it becomes an assassination against the author. I think the message needs to be looked at, instead of the messenger.

If he is so distrusted why was he asked to head this panel?? If the outcome was so predictable, why did GWB take this risk?? Is he that stupid?

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patsfan13

Who assasinated Baker, I just pointed out 2 things. He is on the record as being an opponent of regieme change in Iraq, and that this leak is spin from an unidentified source on the panel, not Baker as the title to this thread indicates, and that the spin is designed to hurt administration before the election.

Drawing conclusions on what a report says based on a leak without access to the complete document is pointless.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."