mikey

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/worl...eath-Toll.html


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DarrylS

I am reading that this study is controversial due to sampling issues, however as in most wars there is great difficulty in assessing the collateral damage. It comes down to how much is too much, 100K, 200K or 600+K, anyway you look at it, consider what is going on now in that country and no one can convince me it is worth it. This is more than a comma when history is written.

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Patters

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/....ap/index.html

NEW YORK (AP) -- A controversial new study contends nearly 655,000 Iraqis have died because of the war, suggesting a far higher death toll than other estimates.

The timing of the survey's release, just a few weeks before the U.S. congressional elections, led one expert to call it "politics."

In the new study, researchers attempt to calculate how many more Iraqis have died since March 2003 than one would expect without the war. Their conclusion, based on interviews of households and not a body count, is that about 600,000 died from violence, mostly gunfire. They also found a small increase in deaths from other causes like heart disease and cancer.

"Deaths are occurring in Iraq now at a rate more than three times that from before the invasion of March 2003," Dr. Gilbert Burnham, lead author of the study, said in a statement. The study by Burnham, of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, and others is to be published on the Web site of The Lancet, a medical journal.

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I have no idea who has the most accurate numbers, but it's probably higher than the official tolls and lower than than the number here. At any rate, this is how history manufactures numbers. For instance, the idea that Saddam killed 400,000 Kurds or Mao 20,000,000 Chinese are certainly based on some sort of methodology, but are trumpeted by foes of Saddam and Mao. This number will certainly be trumpeted by our foes for a very long time. At the same time, their methodology (described in greater detail in the article) is no more unreasonable than the approach used by other groups that rely on media reports or official organs of the Iraqi government.

scout

Does this number include civilians and terrorists?

Harry Boy

Hi Mike,
Boy thats a good one, you usually only have ten or fifteen deaths to report today you have six hundred and fifty thousand.

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Real World

That number is ridiculous. Iraq's entire population is somewhere near 25 million or so. This is why I am begining to hate what goes on in this country. There is too much propoganda and BS, and not enough honest information.

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Real World

The same honest info that you get from the DNC. Political party's and administrations will always use honest figures and manipulate them to support their conclusions. I can take revenue figures from my company, honest figures, and make them look better or worse than they really are depending on the arguement I'm trying to make. Now, whether or not those listening see them my way, or for what they truly are is another matter. My disdain in relation to this thread, is with the MSM and various other information groups that use bias when reporting news, or providing valuable information. We should expect the Dems and repubs to slant there news, but the MSM & co. should be there to filter out the truth, and not the opposite.

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