Seymour93

How low can Bush go? If Bush spoke infront of the citizens of Harlem he'd be heckled, jeered, and booed out of the building.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ic&id=4584566#




"I've seen first-hand that [Chavez] made a promise to do something, and he delivered," Bronx resident Patrice White-McGleese said.

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IcyPatriot

Seymour comming from a Marxist thinking person such as yourself...this post makes perfect sense. The problem is...if America was a Marxist state you could include all the rants the liberals make here and multiply it by at least 10 to have the total they would rant about.

Chavez talks a bunch of crap...acts like a hollywood celebrity...and 1/2 his people live in squalor...in other words he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk.

While it has led to budget problems...Bush has outspent every liberal before him in social areas...the most ever...never do the liberals here touch that subject. While it has it's flaws, conservative compassionism is not such a bad idea. Due to the war...Bush messed it all up.

At some point...we will elect a compassionate moderate...America will begin to love itself again and there will be many more like me who think this is a great way to move forward in this country. Hillary and if he can move right John Edwards are the best bet to pull it off.

Harry Boy

Do you Socialist Liberal Anti Americans really believe that Chavez cares about Poor People

Chavez is "using you" and you are "Using Chavez", but this is a good thing, these last few days with Chavez & the "Little Muslim Runt" from Iran Giving America the finger and all the Sore Losing Liberals giving them standing ovations you are sending millions to the polls to vote "Republican" it is just more proof that the Liberal Democrat WILL NOT and doesn't KNOW HOW TO PROTECT AMERICA OR FIGHT MUSLIM TERRORISTS.

KEEP SUPPORTING CHAVEZ BUSH AND THE REPUBLICANS LOVE IT

DarrylS

Read some stuff about Chavez recently, while he initially did a lot of good for Venezuala... there are a lot now doubting his accomplishments and he and his inner circle have benefitted from the oil industry.. anyways being more popular than bush in states like NY, RI and some of the NE blue crew is like saying Chavez is just a little higher than whale ****.

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patsfan13

Chavez is a Marxist Castro wannabee. He never did any good fro anyone but imself. For those familiar with MY Cooper Union (where he spoke and got the standing O), is a bastion for the Marzist losers in NYC. Must have been quite a circle jerk for them to have the Castro Che wanabee to adore.

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Turk

Neo-Cons can put their blinders on and keep saying the same thing until they actually start to believe it themselves, but that type of masturbatory approach does not change the fact that Chavez is absolutely adored by his people and it was his public, most of whom are the poor, that took to the streets by the tens of thousands after we attempted to take him down. Another example of our noble attempt to spread democracy in the world, by taking down a freely elected leader. Is it any wonder our credibility is what it is?

patsfan13

And the ones who don't adopre he throws in jail. Like the cabinet minister who he threw in jail for disagreeing with him.

Even Rangel and Pelosi thought he went over the line.

Try taking your own blinders off first.

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Seymour93

No one has actually disagreed with what Chavez has said or him selling cheap fuel to the needy citizens. They can't get over the fact that a socialist president is in America doing this. Is this 1955?

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Turk

Originally Posted by Turk
Neo-Cons can put their blinders on and keep saying the same thing until they actually start to believe it themselves, but that type of masturbatory approach does not change the fact that Chavez is absolutely adored by his people and it was his public, most of whom are the poor, that took to the streets by the tens of thousands after we attempted to take him down. Another example of our noble attempt to spread democracy in the world, by taking down a freely elected leader. Is it any wonder our credibility is what it is?



So, you disagree with that action?
Minister should not have been thrown in jail for disagreeing with him?
Mind you, we do not know the extent of this disagreement.
But the point is, in a democracy, ministers should not be jailed, even by their own leaders?
So, following your line, no leader of one country should go into another country and take down / imprison their leaders either, that would be even worse, wouldn't it?

By the way, Chavez still is hugely popular, is he not?

Turk

Here is an article on "evil" Chavez:


by William Loren Katz

To the sputtering fury of a Bush administration who has repeatedly
conspired with Venezuela's elite to drive Hugo Chavez from power, the
Black Indian President of this oil-rich nation has scored a decisive
59% victory over a recall effort.

Chavez now sits more comfortably than ever atop a fourth of the world
oil supplies—equal to that of Iraq—and he supplies a fifth of US oil
needs. In addition, he is current leader of the Organization of
Petroleum Exporting Countries, or OPEC. George W. Bush would prefer
his friends in Saudi Arabia rather than Chavez set global oil prices.

US attacks on Chavez caricature him as a tyrant in the class of Saddam
Hussein, or a Marxist, or a ferociously anti-American clone of Castro.
Actually, his populist uprising springs from multicultural grass roots
that pre-date the foreign invasion of the Americas that began in 1492.

Like four-fifths of Venezuelans, Chavez was born of poor Black and
Indian parents. Since the days of Columbus descendants of the Spanish
conquistadores who supplied the governing classes of the Americas,
have denied indiginous people a say in their future. Chavez represents
a strong challenge.

Chavez is not only proud of his biracial legacy, but has begun to use
oil revenues to help the poor of all colors improve their education
and economic standing. He also flatly rejects Bush administration
efforts to isolate Cuba, counts Castro a friend, and has repeatedly
accused the US of meddling in his country and around the world.

Chavez rules a country where three percent of the population, mostly
of white European descent, own 77% of the land. In recent decades
millions of hungry peasants have drifted into Caracas and other
cities, and live in barrios of cardboard shacks and open sewers.
Chavez has begun to transfer fields from giant unused or abandoned
haciendas to peasant hands, and as landlords have responded with howls
of alarm, he has promised further distributions.

But he has repeatedly held out an olive branch to his foes. He
recently stated, "All this stuff about Chavez and his hordes coming to
sweep away the rich, it's a lie. We have no plan to hurt you. All your
rights are guaranteed, you who have large properties or luxury farms
or cars."

Chavez has begun to target the foreign oil giants who keep about 84%
of Venezuela's oil profits. To attack the problems of his people in
health, illiteracy and poverty, he has demanded 30%.

In 1998 and 2000 Chavez won the Presidency by majorities Republicans
and Democrats here can only dream about. In 2002 he defeated a two-day
coup attempt engineered by his local elite in alliance with US
interests, and in the recent recall vote, 90% of voters turned out.
Chavez's strength rests with his poorest citizens who have mobilized
behind a broader agenda than his, one which includes participatory
democracy and elevating the status of women.

Using rising oil revenues, Chavez has brought education to almost a
million children who never sat in a classroom. And with 10,000 Cuban
doctors, a gift from Fidel Castro, he has opened 11,000 medical
clinics primarily in barrios.

Over the centuries South Americans have endured a crop of caudillos,
or military dictators. Many who began office sounding a radical note
were overthrown by the CIA or other instruments of foreign
governments. Others remained in power by listening to American
ambassadors. Though it is too early to tell, this former paratrooper
seems to spring from an earlier age when Africans and Indians united
to fight the first European invaders, and then continued the struggle
for self-determination by political means.

For inspiration Chavez can reach back to the misty dawn of the foreign
landings when heroic Black Indian ancestors first rose to battle
colonialism. In 1819 Simon Bolivar, of African and Indian lineage and
the victorious revolutionary leader of South America, became the first
elected President of Venezuela. Vicente Guerrero, a guerilla General
in the Mexican Revolution helped liberate his country from Spain.
Though the ruling elite denounced him as a "triple-blooded outsider,"
in 1829 he became Mexico's first Black Indian President, wrote its
constitution, emancipated its slaves, ended racial discrimination and
banished the death penalty.

Though his white foes also denounce Chavez as a racial outsider, the
faces of his millions of supporters refute the claim. He continues to
triumph at the polls, speak truth to power, and use oil revenues to
meet his peoples' needs. He appears unconcerned that he has excited
the fury of the giant to the north, and at times seems to relish this
role.

Time will tell if Chavez's programs and supporters can protect him
from the machinations of his US enemies allied with his foes at home.
Venezuelians have begun their own cultural revolution, and though it
undergirds Chavez's political and economic advances, it may take some
different directions.

Hugo Chavez and his people may yet write another chapter in the
audacious book begun by Simon Bolivar, Vicente Guerrero and millions
of other Venezuelan Africans and Indians.


William Loren Katz