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Old 08-09-2006, 07:42 PM   #1
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I haven't been here in a real looooong time, just thought I would pop in and say hi to all the regulars. It's been a real busy summer (HVAC business) and I'm looking forward to it's impending demise. It doesn't seem like much has changed around here in the time I've been gone, everyone's still "sluggin it out"....good, keep it up, I'll be back soon Take care, CPF
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:08 PM   #2
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Geez, I thought you were off on a rapture, or something....
Nem...We need more CPF's around here...posters who bring uniqueness and intelligence. Instead you recruit children who need videos to debate and you slam a good poster because he is a good Christian. NEM, you say you are Jewish but this isn't Lebanon over here...no need to hate other faiths...Boo on you NEM.

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Old 08-09-2006, 10:32 PM   #3
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Geez, I thought you were off on a rapture, or something....
I love you to NEM, tnx for the welcome
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Nem...We need more CPF's around here...posters who bring uniqueness and intelligence. Instead you recruit children who need videos to debate and you slam a good poster because he is a good Christian. NEM, you say you are Jewish but this isn't Lebanon over here...no need to hate other faiths...Boo on you NEM.

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NEM's Jewish? This is a revelation to me. We shouldn'rt have any problems then because, after all, Jesus was Jewish too and I love that Guy.

Hey thanks for the warm welcome F.B.N, but really, do expect anything different from NEM? I've just learned to set my expectations ecceptionally low where he is concerned...he han't missed the mark yet Take care, CPF
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Did I say I didnt love him? I just think he's fanatically wrong.
NEM, this was always one of your major problems in all of our conversations. You want to make these sweeping statements, like the one above, but when it comes down to specifics you seem to lose focus. Let me try anyway.......Would you like to be more specific NEM? How exactly is He wrong?

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It's just that Evangelicals, for all intents and purposes, want all Jews to either convert to Christianity, or die. Plain and simple......
NEM, I'm not quite sure where you get this idea from, Evangelicals are almost accross the board supporters of the nation of Israel. Again, could you be a bit more specific? Take care, CPF.
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... Evangelicals are almost accross the board supporters of the nation of Israel. Again, could you be a bit more specific? Take care, CPF.
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If you are an evangelical you believe that the Jews are God's chosen people.
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They are sup[porters of Israel because they believe that Israel is their ticket to the rapture. That if they support Israel, and the US supports Israel, that Israel will take steps to start an all out world war, one that can only end in the destruction of the planet, as we know it. That is their ulterior motive..and belive me, it is more fact, than fiction.
NEM, if eschatological prophesy is tied up in that region (which I believe it is), then it's not going to make a lick of difference whether Evangelicals support Israel or not. What's going to happen will happen regardless. I think most of the support for Israel stems from the common ground we both stand on. We both recognize the Old Testament as divinely inspired Scripture, and we both see God's providence coming directly through the line of Isaac, via Abraham. Not to mention that Christ, as well as the majority of the early Church were all Jewish.

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ANd,of course, they, you believe, that the only way to the Lordl, to Heaven, is to give yourself to Jesus, and to believe... and if Jews cant do that, they they will not take part in the rapture, and they will die.... and not go to the next level, where only true believers will go.
That is true, but there is a huge difference between believing that those that due not accept Christ are lost and mourning over it and actually "wanting" it to happen. I don't "want" people to die in their sin, that's why I try to tell as many people as I can about Christ, so they don't have to. Of course in the end we all have a choice to make and I can't force anyone choose Christ, that's a decision they have to make for themselves.

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Sok its a little complicated, and I may have simplified it a little, but for all intents and purposes, evangelicals believe, either convert, give yourself to Jesus, or you will not fly away to wherver,and you will just die....

So, either convert or die, plain and simple.

But, I am sure you dont see it that way, do you?
Well not all Evangelicals have the same view of eschatology that you espouse here but we all agree with Christ that He is the only way to have peace with God. Remember we are all going to die NEM, what happens after that depends on the choices you make while your alive.

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Well, maybe if you decided to convert to Judiasm, the only TRUE religion on THIS planet, maybe you would see the truth, for a change.

After all, Jesus was a Jew, so what better religion than that for you to follow, right?
NEM, I thought you were this "all inclusive", "don't tell me what to believe" kind of guy, so excuse me if this seems a bit weird coming from you. I don't ever remember you mentioning you were Jewish in any of our previous correscpondence. Do you practice Judaism or is it just a cultural thing? I do remember you saying that your wife was a Charasmatic Christian, that must make for some interesting conversation around the breakfast table eh?

Yes Jesus was a Jew, but he fulfilled much of the prophecy pertaining to the Messiah as well as a good portion of the Law, radicalized Judaism and changed it to the point that it became something else entirely. You know there are Jews that follow Christ, they call themselves Messianic Jews and while we differ a bit on the peripheral stuff, I think they are spot on with their core doctrine. Take care NEM, CPF.
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Didn't recognize the name. I forgot about CPF and his roots. We went around a few times on the creation / evolution thing.
I was only kidding, CPF, when I started the thread on that subject. I think we beat that one to death, if I'm not mistaken.

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