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PatsFanInMaine · 07-07-2006, 09:34 PM

Rep. Murtha has been claiming that the situation in Iraq has deteriorated greatly. Rep. Murtha has told us he receives this information from soldiers that he has talked to. Apparently his information does not come from these members of a Guard Unit in Murtha's own District.

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/site...183003158.html

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All those interviewed agreed they saw progress during their year in the war zone.

â€œWe actually accomplished a lot,â€ Beas said, citing the number of weapons seized during the first months of the 876thâ€™s tour.

â€œWe started finding less and less as time went on,â€ Beas said.

The Iraqi army and police forces gained skill and professionalism, Lucas said.

â€œThere is more cohesiveness in the Iraqi army,â€ Lucas said.

â€œThe Iraqi police started to become more like a democracy. Itâ€™s like, â€˜I am the police. This is the way itâ€™s going to be.â€™ Rather than being afraid of the insurgents.â€

***patsfan13*** · 07-07-2006, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInMaine

Rep. Murtha has been claiming that the situation in Iraq has deteriorated greatly. Rep. Murtha has told us he receives this information from soldiers that he has talked to. Apparently his information does not come from these members of a Guard Unit in Murtha's own District.

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/site...183003158.html

Great news from the soldiers on the ground, this will Left wing defeatist like Murtha nuts. He'll call Cindy Sheehan she'll cheer him up.

BTW here is a good article about the Iraqi's security forces.

linkhttp://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2...0707_5604.html

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Speaking to reporters by satellite from Baghdad, Caldwell was able to show video of the Iraqi-planned, Iraqi-led and Iraqi-executed operation. Coalition personnel accompanied the operation, but only in an "overwatch" role, Caldwell said. Overwatch means they observed the operation and could have advised Iraqi leaders if needed, the general explained.

Caldwell said the criminal was picked up with four other men. "He led multiple insurgent cells in Baghdad," the general said. "His main focus is to conduct attacks against Iraqi and coalition forces. These attacks have included using improvised explosive devices and vehicle(-borne) improvised explosive devices.

His group has kidnapped, tortured and murdered Iraqi citizens, and he personally killed two Iraqi soldiers "in an attempt to improve his organization's status with his higher leadership," Caldwell said. Iraqi intelligence linked the man to a punishment committee that carries out vigilante judgment on perceived enemies.

"We know that this individual was also involved in the transfer of weapons from Syria into Iraq to, reportedly, facilitate ... his efforts to splinter away from his current organization," the general said.

Good to see the Iraqi's taking charge, our guys have done a great job training them. There are actually some who thought they were unwilling to fight for their freedom.

***Patters*** · 07-07-2006, 10:25 PM

There is some good news, but I read that terrorist activity hasn't decreased since Zarqaqi was killed and at least 1000 civilians per month are still being killed. I wonder why the liberal press is failing to report the extent of terrorist activity in Iraq?

***patsfan13*** · 07-07-2006, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

There is some good news, but I read that terrorist activity hasn't decreased since Zarqaqi was killed and at least 1000 civilians per month are still being killed. I wonder why the liberal press is failing to report the extent of terrorist activity in Iraq?

I am not aware of the figures. I think it has been hard to get a handle on exact number of civilian deaths. There is a lot of speculation and not enough hard facts.

Patters to you have a link for those figures?

PatsFanInEaglesLand · 07-07-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NEM

Why do you waste your time. These brainwashed boobs will grasp at every straw they can find and the worst part is, they believe it...but they still are responsible for killing Americans, friggin piss poor Americans that they are.

Ihave had it with ignorant people like that that cant see the truth in front of their eyes, so they just let more americans die, disgusting, absolutely disgusting.

They are so damned ignorant . You would think that every American would have learned from Nam, but then, they didnt live it, firggin jerks.

And you have never stepped one ******* foot on the ground in Iraq, so why don't you shut the **** up, ignorant old traitorous fool.

***patsfan13*** · 07-07-2006, 10:56 PM

Hey Patters here are sime figures on the casualities rates one couumn list the # of deaths per day. This provides a view on the activity of the insurgents. It doesn't account for the numbers of insurgents killed.

Period US UK Other* Total Avg Days
7-2006 5 0 0 5 0.71 7
6-2006 62 0 2 64 2.13 30
5-2006 69 9 1 79 2.55 31
4-2006 76 1 5 82 2.73 30
3-2006 31 0 2 33 1.06 31
2-2006 55 3 0 58 2.07 28
1-2006 62 2 0 64 2.06 31
12-2005 68 0 0 68 2.19 31
11-2005 84 1 1 86 2.87 30
10-2005 96 2 1 99 3.19 31
9-2005 49 3 0 52 1.73 30
8-2005 85 0 0 85 2.74 31
7-2005 54 3 1 58 1.87 31
6-2005 78 1 4 83 2.77 30
5-2005 80 2 6 88 2.84 31
4-2005 52 0 0 52 1.73 30
3-2005 35 1 3 39 1.26 31
2-2005 58 0 2 60 2.14 28
1-2005 107 10 10 127 4.1 31
12-2004 72 1 3 76 2.45 31
11-2004 137 4 0 141 4.7 30
10-2004 63 2 2 67 2.16 31
9-2004 80 3 4 87 2.9 30
8-2004 66 4 5 75 2.42 31

They also link to civilian deaths, It doesn't specify if civilians deaths woudl inculde insurgents, who aren't in uniform.

some more from this site, they lunp the security forces and civilian deaths together. We could be seeing an increase in the number of deaths among security forces relative to the civilians, due to their increased activity in fighting the insurgents.

Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths
Period Total
Jul-06 179
Jun-06 870
May-06 1120
Apr-06 1010
Mar-06 1094
Feb-06 846
Jan-06 780
Iraqi Security Forces and Civilian Deaths Details
Note: This is an estimate based on news reports. This

link http://icasualties.org/oif/

The figures this month are very good thus far. Hopefully this will continue. June was good in terms of the Irawi casualities, the tate has been lower for Jult thus far. Perhaps the effect of the killing of Zarqwai and damaging Al Queda is starting to show up in the figures. It was assumed the terrorist would try to increase their activity as revenge for killing the Al Queda in Iraq leader.

The Iraqi casualities seem to be down in June relative to the other months.

***IcyPatriot*** · 07-07-2006, 10:56 PM

3000 citizens have passed through the morgue in May and June...the majority with a bullet to the head.

http://ca.today.reuters.com/news/new...archived=False

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Baghdad's central morgue received 1,595 bodies last month -- the highest number since the February bombing of a Shiite shrine sparked a wave of sectarian killings, a morgue official said on Wednesday.

The figures show the level of violence in Iraq has increased even after the killing on June 7 of al Qaeda in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a U.S. air strike.

Morgue assistant manager Doctor Abdul Razzaq al-Obaidi said tallies for June compared to the 1,375 bodies the morgue received in May and 1,155 in April.

"June is the highest month in terms of receiving cases of violence since Samarra," he told Reuters. Obaidi said most of the bodies had gunshot wounds to the head -- a common feature of sectarian, execution-style killings.

The U.S. ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad, said on Tuesday the death of Zarqawi had not improved security.

Blue Collar · 07-07-2006, 11:03 PM

It's getting good? it's getting worse? I quess it's what you want to believe?

***patsfan13*** · 07-07-2006, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Collar

It's getting good? it's getting worse? I quess it's what you want to believe?

You need a longer sample after Zarqwai's death to see if a trend is developing. It looks like March through May were tough. the US rates had gotten > 4 deaths per day in some months we are way below that now. Hopefully it gets better asap.

Blue Collar · 07-07-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

You need a longer sample after Zarqwai's death to see if a trend is developing. It looks like March through May were tough. the US rates had gotten > 4 deaths per day in some months we are way below that now. Hopefully it gets better asap.

I ain't hoping it's getting worse, I'm hoping it;s getting better, just in this war there is so much crap being said about it, that you learn not to believe, you learn to wait and see if it's true.