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Old 07-04-2006, 11:04 PM   #1
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A golden oldie on J Kerry our anti war hero.

The article was authored by: Ion Mihai Pacepa, his cridentals:was acting chief of Romania's espionage service and national-security adviser to the country's president. He is the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc.

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Part of Senator John Kerry's appeal to a certain segment of Americans is his Vietnam-veteran status coupled with his antiwar activism during that period. On April 12, 1971, Kerry told the U.S. Congress that American soldiers claimed to him that they had, "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned on the power, cut off limbs, blew up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan."




The exact sources of that assertion should be tracked down. Kerry also ought to be asked who, exactly, told him any such thing, and what it was, exactly, that they said they did in Vietnam. Statutes of limitation now protect these individuals from prosecution for any such admissions. Or did Senator Kerry merely hear allegations of that sort as hearsay bandied about by members of antiwar groups (much of which has since been discredited)? To me, this assertion sounds exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the Vietnam era. KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility. One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and "news reports" about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. Often enough, they would be picked up. News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources. All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world.

As a spy chief and a general in the former Soviet satellite of Romania, I produced the very same vitriol Kerry repeated to the U.S. Congress almost word for word and planted it in leftist movements throughout Europe. KGB chairman Yuri Andropov managed our anti-Vietnam War operation. He often bragged about having damaged the U.S. foreign-policy consensus, poisoned domestic debate in the U.S., and built a credibility gap between America and European public opinion through our disinformation operations. Vietnam was, he once told me, "our most significant success."

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During my last meeting with Andropov, he said, wisely, "now all we have to do is to keep the Vietnam-era anti-Americanism alive." Andropov was a shrewd judge of human nature. He understood that in the end our original involvement would be forgotten, and our insinuations would take on a life of their own. He knew well that it was just the way human nature worked.
The author see the Anti war propaganda campaign against the US WOT and relates it to it's roots in the KGB misinformations campaigns of the 60's & 70 which Sen Kerry participated in.
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Old 07-04-2006, 11:14 PM   #2
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The serving in the military and saying thank you does not apply to all soldiers, just one's that connect with your partisan worship?no
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No being a dupe of the Solviets (at best) and throwing your fellow soldiers under the bus doesn't engender my thanks.
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No being a dupe of the Solviets (at best) and throwing your fellow soldiers under the bus doesn't engender my thanks.
So you must have wildly cheered when bush did the same thing to john MCcain and max cleeland and any other soldier who wasn't as principled as as G.W.B., carry on partisan soldier, keep lockstepping in the pursuit of your truth.

My whole family has served in the military through wwII, korea,vietnam and gulf I...Couple good friend's of mine who were vietnam veterans have mentioned some of the sh-- they witnessed or partaked in during that war.
Best not mention that here, cuz it's deemed propaganda and therefore untrue, for those looking for their believed truth's.
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The serving in the military and saying thank you does not apply to all soldiers, just one's that connect with your partisan worship?no
And the same could be said to you. You seem to think the only ones that matter are those who agree with you and your propaganda sites.

But you keep fighting the good fight, ok, you are the tin foil hat warrior.
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And the same could be said to you. You seem to think the only ones that matter are those who agree with you and your propaganda sites.

But you keep fighting the good fight, ok, you are the tin foil hat warrior.
Show everyone where I have disgraced a soldier? where is that post? Right here in this thread someones attacking a soldier because he doesn't like his political views. I repeat show this board where I have attacked a soldier?
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Show everyone where I have disgraced a soldier? where is that post? Right here in this thread someones attacking a soldier because he doesn't like his political views. I repeat show this board where I have attacked a soldier?
Ah, disagree, yes you have. Never said disgraced or attacked, but that rhetoric is expected for you.
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Ah, disagree, yes you have. Never said disgraced or attacked, but that rhetoric is expected for you.
wHERE I have ever went after a soldier? politics I discuss , soldiers I never discuss, except once when patsfan13 13 asked me about murha comments on soldiers. I said murtha basicaly should shut his mouth and if these claims are untrue he should resign.You and me gripe about the politics, but I never say anything disgraceful towards any soldier even you, don't take take that as an offense , We just haggle over politics.
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From the Article:

"To me, this assertion sounds exactly like the disinformation line that the Soviets were sowing worldwide throughout the Vietnam era. KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility. One of its favorite tools was the fabrication of such evidence as photographs and "news reports" about invented American war atrocities. These tales were purveyed in KGB-operated magazines that would then flack them to reputable news organizations. Often enough, they would be picked up. News organizations are notoriously sloppy about verifying their sources. All in all, it was amazingly easy for Soviet-bloc spy organizations to fake many such reports and spread them around the free world"

This is an opinion, not a quote about Kerry. To me it sounds like does not directly implicate John Kerry, not that he should be defended for what he said, but this is another article that is taken out of context and run with without further examination. We do not know the atrocities of any war, and what our operatives do or do not do at any one given time. My experience as a person who watched the Viet Nam war very closely, is those who were incountry and experienced a lot of conflict don't speak much, those who were in communication tents on the beach with their "mama sans", talk a lot. Since when do we give so much credence to a "Romanian Defector" the highest ranking soviet official to defect... Romania if my history memory serves me well was guilty of its own share of atrocities within its borders.
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The National Review should be embarrassed for even printing that commentary. Kerry based his remarks on the extremely famous Winter Soldier investigation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Soldier
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