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Old 06-29-2006, 09:11 AM   #1
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Default Casualty rate in Iraq

http://icasualties.org/oif/

Go to the link and you will get all of the casualties in Iraq close to up to date.

Now, lets say that we have rotated about 600,000 individual military personnel since 2003. (some say 1,000,000 but I choose to use a smaller # because I can't find the exact # to link)

If you take the KIA # on the link above our KIA rate is 1/2 of 1%.

If you take the total of WRT & Wounded the rate is 3%. If you take just the wounded that did not return to duty after 72 hours the rate is 1.5%

These would be considered to be "light" casualty #'s by any military commander. Each individual one is a tragedy.

Sometimes it does help to put things into prospective.
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Old 06-29-2006, 09:58 AM   #2
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These "light" casualties, as you put it..... are truly "Unnecessary" casualties in Iraq because our presence there is illegal by International Law land these men, and women, have died for George W. Bush's TREASONOUS vendetta.

And, it has been shown that our KIA number would be much greater if not for the improvement in defensive armor and weaponry that we now have, compared to in prior wars......AND, that the enemy we are fighting is not an organized military....

BTW, How about the 20,000 PLUS that have been wounded. They seem to have been forgotten. And,how about the 50,000 Iraqi civilians that have been killed. Don't they count?
Did you even go to the link?

Wounded is 18,500 with 8,500 who did not return to duty after 72 hours.


Also, please provide a credible source for the 50,000 Iraqi CIVILIANS that you claim have been killed by us. These should not include Iraqi military that were killed in the opening phase of the war or civilians killed by "insurgents" or terrorist.

The link that I provided seems to be from an anti-war group.
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:48 AM   #3
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First, i never saId that the 50,000 have been killed by us, just that they have been killed...and no matter how you cut it, none of them would have died if not for our invasion... Here's the report from the Baghdad Morgue.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...home-headlines
NEM you EXPLICTLY said that Bush killed 50,000.
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From YOUR post

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The 50,000 deaths that have been caused by George W.Bush of Iraqi citizens
Do you try to be so wrong all the time.
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Oh yeah here is the link to the thread you started when the above qupte came from.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-...ad.php?t=37395

Another incoherent hysterical thread.
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50,000 Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the war. Go to Google news and search for 50,000 Iraqi civilians bush. You'll find a number of links. Take your choice. Other sources put the death toll as low as 30,000 and as high as 100,000, all of which are high numbers.

While it is true that a relatively small number of American soldiers have died in this war, at least compared to the 60,000 that died during Vietnam, we owe a big thank you to the Vietnam anti-war movement, which helped reduce our tolerance (at least for most of us) for the death of troops. 2,500 is still way too many. Let's try to stop the number from rising more.
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we owe a big thank you to the Vietnam anti-war movement,
You really do believe in the Easter Bunny, don't you?
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You really do believe in the Easter Bunny, don't you?

Well, the righties during Vietnam were not too concerned about the deaths of 60,000, just as you're apparently not terribly concerned about the deaths of 2,500. But, during Vietnam, the anti-war movement helped swing American public opinion against the war, and saved thousands of American lives. The same phenonemon is happening with Iraq. Just as Vietnam proved it wasn't the threat that the paranoid right believed it would be, the same will be shown for Iraq. In the meantime, build yourself a bomb shelter, stay out of cities, don't open any packages or mail, and, if you're still afraid, keep your head up your *****.
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If it weren't for people Like John Kerry who saw the truth, and spoke out against it, tens of thousands more Americans would have been killed, but apparently dead Americans are OK with you judging by yhour support for Bush's illegal war...

You remember Bush, dont you, you know, that Yellow BEllied AWOL coward , lying deserter.......
You just struck a very sore spot with me and thousands of Vietnam Vets.

Lets get something out of the way first. I disagreed with the Swift Boat guys for going after Kerry for what he did in the war. Kerry put himself in harms way and I respected him for that. He got the medals. Although if he had been in the Army I don't think he would have recieved the Silver Star or atleast on of his Purple Hearts but that is not the point.

Where I can't stand Kerry is what he did after the war. He went in front of congress and testified about things that HE never saw or did like they were gospel. He testified about what others told him they did. HE was a reserve officer at the time and should have turned these guys in.

What he said in congress got us Vet Vets labled as baby killers, rapist, and looters and burners. HE should hide his head in shame.

And you NEM should be ashamed of yourself for using him as an example of virtue.

Lets not go there anymore.

The fact is that Nixon ended the draft. After that, there were no more big protest against the war. That tells you something how dedicated the anti-war people were at the time. I knew many of them- many of them were my friends.
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What Kerry said I think still resonates today:

http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/histo...Testimony.html

I'm sure in all his speech-making he was bound to have said some things he shouldn't have, but what that young man was brave enough to say in front of the U.S. Senate probably helped save thousands of lives. PATSNUTme, what do you disagree with, the Winter Soldier Investigation?
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