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Some Crusaders and Zionists, for example, doggedly accuse Islam of being the religion of the sword, claiming that it was spread by the edge of the sword,” wrote Sayyid Qutb in “Basic Principles of the Islamic Worldview” before he was executed by the Egyptian government in 1966 as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood.
“These people forget that Islam, being the last divine path for humanity, has an essential right to establish its own system on earth so that all humanity can enjoy its blessings…Establishing the ‘Islamic system’ to have beneficial sway over all humanity, those who embrace Islam and those who do not, does indeed require Jihad as does the liberty of men to follow their own beliefs.” Qutb is careful to nod in the direction of the Islamic admonition that “there is no compulsion in religion,” but Islam is all about compulsion.
Qutb (1906-1966) was an Egyptian Islamist who wrote extensively about modern civilization and, with absolute certainty, the superiority of an Islamic theocracy to all other faiths and modes of governing on earth. As such, he is widely regarded as the intellectual father of the Islamic revolution that has been in play since the late 1970s and of al Qaeda. His brother, Muhammad Qutb, moved to Saudi Arabia where he became a professor of Islamic Studies and one of his students, an ardent follower of Sayyid Qutb, was Ayman Zawahiri, the mentor of Osama bin Laden.
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His contact with the West radicalized Qutb because, as far as anyone can tell, he was not merely an ascetic, but a celibate who found normal human desires and behavior deeply offensive. He never married. Just about everything in those years of American rejuvenation after WWII was an abomination to Qutb who took time to write his first theoretical work of religious exegesis which was published in 1949. Writing about America he pronounced life there as “primitive” and endlessly shocking.
Small excerpt from a long article. It is valuable to understand where the enemy is coming from. IMO this take on ISlam is being funded in a big way by the Saudi's who have spent 100B+ on madresas and mosques worlwide spreading the Whabbi sect's interpation of Islam.
Some day we will be forced to deal fully with the war we are in, and when that happens we're going to discover a lot of very nasty problems about the future of America. One of them has to do with, of all things, the First Amendment. Consider this story from Wednesday's London Times:
An American al Qaeda operative who was a close associate of the leader of the July 7 bombers was recruited at a New York mosque that British militants helped to run.
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It's interesting that British jihadis came to Queens to recruit Americans — and no doubt some of them, fully trained in slaughter, have returned to these shores — but the important thing is the mosque. Because there's always a mosque, as my Italian friend Magdi Allam has been repeating for several years. Not all mosques are jihadi, but all jihadis come from a mosque.
Look at the 9/11 terrorists, look at the killer of Daniel Pearl, and you will find well-off, educated men who became radicalized in a mosque. And I'll bet you a good-sized farm that if we ever get to the bottom of 9/11, we'll discover that mosques were central in maintaining contact with and discipline over the terrorists.
Again long article worthwile read.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
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Good Post Patsfan13. 2 or 3 years ago I made a few threads here saying that the war on terror is our responsibility because we all live here...we are the hated. I went on to say that it doesn't matter if you are left or right, e live here so we are part of this.
Some will put themselves on a higher plateau and say it's Bush...it's not me. But we use the gasoline and the energy, we watch the shows and movies, we listen to the music...we choose to stay here so we are part of it.
To take it a step furthur...Muslim families who live over here will drive their kids to soccer while the kids watch a DVD in the back. The parents may be good Muslims but it is near impossible for them to live like these people over here....so they are targets also because they are viewed as sinners.
Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia ... all the non-hardcore countries are sinners also and will be dealt with in the future if possible...we are just more important at the moment because fighting us helps their recruitment.
All that said...i still fault Bush for many things. Yes, at some point the war will have been faught anyways...I would have prefered a more traditional approach to resolving the problems...including Saddams removal.
Some here say we create these terrorist monsters that like to behead people and kill innocent civilians. These monsters have been out there for at least 1500 years, They have been doing the same thing we see for a very, very long time...because in their eyes, sinners deserve death .
Well, thank you for proving my that allthese Americans that are being killed are dyhing for nothing. I have been trying to tell you, and all the other brainwashed Bushies, that it is their way of life. It is how it is. Nothing has ever changed it, and nothing will, and if Bush thinks that our men are dying for a "Noble Cause" he has another think coming.
In addition to dying for Bush's lies, they are dying for his stupidity, too.
Once again, thank you very much for posting the confirmation of what I have been trying to teach you all this time.
If you bother to read the article you will see these folks have been at war with us since the 1940's.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
The Iraqis??????? Gee, then who was that Saddam Hussein guy that Bush I and Reagan were dealing with all the time?
THE IRAQIS HAE NEVER BEEN A THREAT TO THE SECURITY OF THE UNITED STATES, BUT, BUSH HAD A PERSONAL VENDETTA TO FULFILL SO MORE AMERCIANS ARE NOW DEAD.... THANKS TO YOUR SUPPORT.
how many is enough?????
Well I have posted links showing that Iraqi SS (Ramsey Yousef IIRC. who was later caught inthe Phillipines plotting to blow up 14 US Airliners, again in the 90's) was involved with the first WTC bombing in the 90's (before GWB) the information sourced was written by a person who was part of the Clinton admin. So you are wrong.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Ramsey Yousef was Iraqi? Web searches turn up allegations (and no proof) that Yousef was working with Iraq -- but nothing definitive on place of birth, and also nothing definitive on an Iraqi link.
But this has been part and parcel of the plan for quite some time, to link terrorism with Iraq, so that Bush II can go in and finish Bush I's war. The problem is, the casus belli of 1992 has evaporated, so he needed a new one. From all reports, he seemed to have fabricated them.
It should be obvious by now that Patsfan13 is on a desperate mission to find justifications for invading Iraq and for sending those 2,510 American boys to their deaths.
First it was those 500 "newly-discovered" WMDs.
Then, it was those "newly-found" Iraqi manuals that was recently translated by "newly-hired" Arabic interpreters that purportedly linked Al-Queda to Saddam Hussein.
Next, it is the "newly-discovered" obscure internet link to some right-wing websites that claim Youssef Ramsey is an Iraqi.
My question to Patsfan13 is: Does it matter anymore??.
It is too late.
2,510 American boys are already dead and nothing will bring them back.
Saddam is already in jail and will be sent to the gallow soon.
Ramsey Yousef was Iraqi? Web searches turn up allegations (and no proof) that Yousef was working with Iraq -- but nothing definitive on place of birth, and also nothing definitive on an Iraqi link.
But this has been part and parcel of the plan for quite some time, to link terrorism with Iraq, so that Bush II can go in and finish Bush I's war. The problem is, the casus belli of 1992 has evaporated, so he needed a new one. From all reports, he seemed to have fabricated them.
PFnV
Here is the link again, the author BTW was a Clinton campiagn advisor in 1992 and later a part of the Clinton admin as a terrorism expert.
One may indeed ask whether the World Trade Center bombing itself is not a harbinger of the train wreck coming. For if Saddam Hussein was behind it, then the Justice Department, in effect, has blinded the national security bureaucracies to a serious danger, namely the possibility that in the extreme Iraq might use biological agents, whether for terrorism in America or in the context of military' action in the region, possibly involving U.S. troops.
Of course, that is an important "if." It is to that issue we now turn.
Dramatis Personae
Ramzi Yousef, a.k.a. Abdul Basit Karim -the key man; likely Iraqi agent
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ALTHOUGH THE national security agencies never received the World Trade Center evidence, at the conclusion of a trial evidence becomes public. Anyone can examine it, and I did so meticulously. The raw data consist mostly of telephone records, passports, and airplane tickets. Such data reveal nothing directly about state sponsorship, but under close analysis certain facts begin to stand out and certain patterns emerge. And it helps to know the Middle East well.
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ON SEPTEMBER 1, 1992, Ramzi Yousef arrived at JFK airport. He presented an Iraqi passport without a U.S. visa, was briefly detained (and fingerprinted) for illegal entry, and granted asylum pending a hearing. Yousef went to stay at the apartment of Musab Yasin, an Iraqi living in Jersey City. So too did Abdul Rahman Yasin, Musab's younger brother, who arrived in America from Iraq soon after Yousef. (Musab had an unlisted telephone number under an Israeli-sounding alias, Josie Hadas.)
Much more in the article of course. Is the Clinton administration assumed to be part of the VRWC?
BTW another Golden oldie about WMD leaving Iraq before the war this from the UN:
[quote]Late last week, the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) briefed the Security Council on Saddam's lightning-fast dismantling of missile and WMD sites before and during the war. UNMOVIC executive chairman Demetrius Perricos detailed not only the export of thousands of tons of missile components, nuclear reactor vessels and fermenters for chemical and biological warheads, but also the discovery of many (but not most) of these items - with UN inspection tags still on them -- as far afield as Jordan, Turkey and even Holland.
Perricos highlighted the proliferation danger to the Security Council, as well he should: UNMOVIC has no idea where most of the WMD material is today, just that it exists and it's gone; and anything in Syria is likely to be in Jerusalem or New York tomorrow.
The tip of this terrorist sword was scarcely deflected on April 26th, when Jordanian intelligence broke up an al Qaeda conspiracy to detonate a large chemical device in the capital city of Amman. Directed by al Qaeda terrorist leader Abu al-Zarqawi -- the same man who personally beheaded American Nicholas Berg in Iraq last month -- the plotters sought to use a massive explosion to spread a “toxic cloud”, meant to wipe out the U.S. embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office, the Jordanian intelligence headquarters, and at least 20,000 civilians (by contrast, only 3,000 died on 9/11). Over twenty tons of chemical weapons were seized from the conspirators, who were just days away from carrying out their plot.
It's not just the UN. Bill Clinton says they exist, even after the war: in a July 2003 interview with Larry King, the ex-president uncharacteristically defended George Bush, saying “it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there [was]…a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for” in Iraq. Every intelligence agency in the world -- French, British, German, Russian, Czech, you name it -- agreed before the war; Jordanian intelligence can certainly confirm their opinion today.[quote]
Clinton get regular Intel breifings, is he a Bush lackey also?
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
It should be obvious by now that Patsfan13 is on a desperate mission to find justifications for invading Iraq and for sending those 2,510 American boys to their deaths.
First it was those 500 "newly-discovered" WMDs.
Then, it was those "newly-found" Iraqi manuals that was recently translated by "newly-hired" Arabic interpreters that purportedly linked Al-Queda to Saddam Hussein.
Next, it is the "newly-discovered" obscure internet link to some right-wing websites that claim Youssef Ramsey is an Iraqi.
My question to Patsfan13 is: Does it matter anymore??.
It is too late.
2,510 American boys are already dead and nothing will bring them back.
Saddam is already in jail and will be sent to the gallow soon.
It does not matter anymore if we find WMD or not.
Give it up.
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Yes Mikey it does matter now. Liars should not be allowed to rewrite histroy and distort facts as the Left is attempting to do in an attempt to see America lose ont eh WOT to advance their political agenda.
We owe it to those defending this country and especially those who have paid the price by being wounded or killed.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
These questions have an obvious bearing not only on past events but on possible future ones as well. [2] It is important to know who Ramzi Yousef is and who his "friends" are, because if he is not just a bomber-for-hire, or an Islamic militant loosely connected to other Muslim fundamentalists, Yousef's "friends" could still prove very dangerous to the United States. It is of considerable interest, therefore, that a very persuasive case can be made that Ramzi Yousef is an Iraqi intelligence agent, and that his bombing conspiracies were meant as Saddam Hussein's revenge for the Gulf War. If so, and if, as U.S. officials strongly suspect, Baghdad still secretly possesses biological warfare agents, then we may still not have heard the last from Saddam Hussein.
This essay will focus on three points. First, it will argue that, as things stand now, coordination between the Justice Department and the relevant national security agencies is such that the latter--and thus national security itself gets very short shrift when it comes to dealing with terror incidents perpetrated on U.S. soil. Second, it will look afresh at the evidence from the World Trade Center bombing case and suggest that the most logical explanation of the evidence points to Iraqi state sponsorship. Third, it will assay briefly what dangers the Iraqi regime may still pose to the United States should this analysis prove correct.
In other words,
1. Ms. Mylroie thinks a case can be made, and sets out to make it, that Ramzi Yousef is an Iraqi agent -- although she herself is not at all sure. She does believe, however, that it might be in our interests to make this case.
2. She discounts the danger of Islamic Fundamentalists, thereby emphasizing the "danger" of agents of Iraq in America -- as opposed to the likes of Al Qaeda. You will notice that she sees them as mutually exclusive identities, which makes a good deal of sense, since Saddam, whatever his evils, was a secularist. Al Qaeda et al. had little use for Saddam, or vice versa, throughout the 90s.
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Laurie Mylroie, formerly of Harvard University and the U.S. Naval War College. is currently with the Foreign Policy Research Institute of Philadelphia. She was co-author of the bestseller, Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf (Random House 1990), and has just completed a sequel, 'Study of Revenge': Saddam's Terror Against America, January 1993-??
So, Clinton brought her in for information on Iraq during the 1992 election campaign -- she did not, however, work in the Clinton white house. Essentially, she seems to have helped him write tougher Iraq speeches, and seems to feel betrayed at Clinton's less aggressive Iraq overthrow policies (than Bush I's.)
In other words, she spends a lot of her time saying the first Bush really wanted to promote Saddam's overthrow, but that Clinton was not working hard enough to do so.
Context helps a lot with statements such as the ones you emphasize -- never an operative in a Clinton government, used for her "tough on Iraq" rhetoric then discarded, an academic continues her neocon perspective on the dismantlement of Iraq. This is not man-bites-dog stuff.
Furthermore, she feels Yousef might represent a danger to America yet, if and only if he is an Iraqi agent. If he's an Islamic fundamentalist, well, he's a bit of a pest, but tolerable.
1. Ms. Mylroie thinks a case can be made, and sets out to make it, that Ramzi Yousef is an Iraqi agent -- although she herself is not at all sure. She does believe, however, that it might be in our interests to make this case.
2. She discounts the danger of Islamic Fundamentalists, thereby emphasizing the "danger" of agents of Iraq in America -- as opposed to the likes of Al Qaeda. You will notice that she sees them as mutually exclusive identities, which makes a good deal of sense, since Saddam, whatever his evils, was a secularist. Al Qaeda et al. had little use for Saddam, or vice versa, throughout the 90s.
So, Clinton brought her in for information on Iraq during the 1992 election campaign -- she did not, however, work in the Clinton white house. Essentially, she seems to have helped him write tougher Iraq speeches, and seems to feel betrayed at Clinton's less aggressive Iraq overthrow policies (than Bush I's.)
In other words, she spends a lot of her time saying the first Bush really wanted to promote Saddam's overthrow, but that Clinton was not working hard enough to do so.
Context helps a lot with statements such as the ones you emphasize -- never an operative in a Clinton government, used for her "tough on Iraq" rhetoric then discarded, an academic continues her neocon perspective on the dismantlement of Iraq. This is not man-bites-dog stuff.
Furthermore, she feels Yousef might represent a danger to America yet, if and only if he is an Iraqi agent. If he's an Islamic fundamentalist, well, he's a bit of a pest, but tolerable.
Are you beginning to see a pattern?
I am. But thanks for playing.
PFnV
The article was written in 1996 years before GWB was in the White House. Al Queda didn't start showing up in attacks in against America until later in the 90's
Basically your going to ignore anything that doesn't jube with Bush lied people died. Thanks for playing.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Article on the 'Godfather' of Islamic Terrorism
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