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Old 06-26-2006, 05:14 PM   #31
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Maine, on journalism: just briefly and at a low level (hence my exit therefrom!) But some habits stick.

Turk, sometimes I do get passionate on this topic, but no less passionate in advocating a Palestinian state (moreso in the past than right now. The rejection of the Taba agreement, the current Hamas government, and years of unrest have moved me right.) But I was at one time active in something called the Jewish Committee for Israeli-Palestinian Peace... Certainly nobody's idea of a radical group, but one which had a great deal of perspective on the conflict.

Anyway, as you say, enough already! Sadly, we cannot solve the crisis on this board.

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With that said, there are a few points that I disagree with you on.
Israel, not being the 51st state, has more than just a favorable standing with the US. Though we have many allies, this one has special priviliges, unlike any other. So, comparing our alliance with Israel to any other, and claiming that they are a sovereign nation, though true on paper, is not exactly accurate.
Just as you have stated, we do have differences with most all allies, but when was the last time we were stern with Israel?
Israel has violated more UN resolutions than Iraq, no other ally has done that.
No other ally of this magnitude, is home to the kind of refugee camps that Israel hosts.
Our media do not write, televise or speak about Israel doing any wrong whereas all over Europe, she keeps losing credibility, because they are not afraid to do what we do not.
Claiming that even though we are in a position to, that we should not try to influence Israel's foreign policy because we just don't have the right to, does not sit right with me.
Why? Because we do that very thing everywhere else in the world. But, God forbid we take a tough stand with Israel and force them to make peace.
Israel is the precipitating factor in our current conflict with the Muslim world because it is where we have taken a side and not budged an inch even after losing moral superiority. More and more Americans are realizing that and Europe already has.
What it is, is longing for peace and prosperity for all the children of God, and not just a chosen few. War comes second in ugliness only to those who profit from it.
I don't know how we can possibly achieve that with Israel's untouchable status, but unless we do, nothing will change.
And what do we have now?? The US media so biased one way...Bush taking a position very PRO-Israel..and the EU taking another...Bush sitting on his hands as the war gets worse...running wild like a strong wildfire... I don't think a little arm twisting will work in the G8...and it'll get worse!!! Bush more like Nero??? I don't think he understands how serious this is...Leadership?? NOT from him....
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