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PatsFanInEaglesLand · 06-23-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

Well, I guess my attempt to add reason and rational thought to this forum has gone over well.

My fault, I should have known better. I'm not angry about the reponses. I'm just not going to argue points with people who can't be rational.

Go ahead with your irrational venom and extremist rants if it makes you feel better . My father always told me not to argue with crazy people, they don't know that they are crazy. Hey, I have a mother in law how is totally nuts so I recongnize it when I see it.

The person on this forum that I dispise is Mikey. He rejoices at very soldier killed. I really think he masturbates over it. If that can be called a personal attack, then so be it.

But, I may drop back from time to time and give a rational post just to give some of you a chance to rant on.

It is sad that a vetern like you self still has to endure attacks on yourself about Vietnam. NEM and Scout should be very proud of themselves. First they cost us then and now they are trying the same thing with Iraq. Don't be suprised to see them one day walking down the street carrying OBL or Ayatollah of Iran photos for political gain.

06-23-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Harry Boy

You have to feel sorry for them, they're liberals, they can't understand that there are people out there that don't agree with them, (liberals are kind and caring) as long you are one of them, now their Hatred for bush is driving them all insane, they will never get over the fact that they lost, TWICE.

Mikey purposely goes through all the news sites looking for another dead soldier so he can rush and get the word out, he loves to be the first "to report". He never has a bad word for "the enemy".

Yeah..I think Mikey works for Al-Jazeera.

Turk · 06-23-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

Well, I guess my attempt to add reason and rational thought to this forum has gone over well...

Mikey rejoices at very soldier killed. I really think he masturbates over it...

...I may drop back from time to time and give a rational post .. :

Well, at least you are consistent in your message

Turk · 06-23-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInEaglesLand

It is sad that a vetern like you self still has to endure attacks on yourself about Vietnam. NEM and Scout should be very proud of themselves. First they cost us then and now they are trying the same thing with Iraq. Don't be suprised to see them one day walking down the street carrying OBL or shah of Iran photos for political gain.

Shah of Iran?
You mean Khomeini, don't you?

***Patters*** · 06-23-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

A couple weeks after I was home from Vietnam, there was a big anti-war rally in the city that I was going to school.

I stood there and watched the demonstrators go bye mostly to check out the babes. Then I saw come jerks coming down the street carrying NVA flags. I felt like I have been punched in the stomach. Why did they need to support the NVA because they were opposed America's role in the war?

I really believe that then we had men killed becasue of the "peace" demonstrations gave the NVA a big morale boost. They had films of the demostrations here and showed them to their troops. It was how they demonstrated that made a difference. Carrying photo's of Ho Chi Mihn????

Moving back to the present time, it is NOT unpatriotic for people to oppose the war in Iraq. Also, people who do support it are not aiding the killing of our troops as one poster keeps repeating over and over again.

So, if you oppose the war, then fine. The difference between us and them is that we allow dissent, they don't. But, how you oppose the war can make a big difference in how our enemies view things.

We all can oppose and support in a more moderate way and make our views known.

Really good post. I suppose, you're always going to have insensitive idiots in any mass movement. Just as there are a handful of extremists who believe we should blow up the Muslim world, there are a handful of extremists who are rooting for the terrorists. These nuts in our midst are embarrassing, and all we can do is distance ourselves from them, but at a rally or demonstration it's difficult to exclude anyone.

During and after the Vietnam War, I think there was a lot of insensitivity by both the left and the right. I remember after the troops came home, the right for the most part acted embarrassed and did little to honor or help them. The left, of course, did even less, but the no one expected much from the left in that regard. I was a teenager at the time, but I remember the whole episode exposed a terrible lack of compassion. We really have an obligation to stand by our troops, even as we oppose the war. And when this war is over, I hope both the left and right honor their service and are willing to the spend the money to help them get any medical or mental health care they need.

scout · 06-23-2006, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInEaglesLand

It is sad that a vetern like you self still has to endure attacks on yourself about Vietnam. NEM and Scout should be very proud of themselves. First they cost us then and now they are trying the same thing with Iraq. Don't be suprised to see them one day walking down the street carrying OBL or Ayatollah of Iran photos for political gain.

Sorry to cost the U.S during Vietnam. I can't speak for NEM, but I know it had to be difficult for him fighting in the jungles of Nam. Not sure what highlight films you've seen of it. Funny how when somebody has an opinion that differs from yours they become traitors or unpatriotic. Doesn't matter if they fought for their country, took a bullet for their country, or had their arm and leg blown off, skrew them man. The difference between me and you is I respect anyone who served their country. You would think you'd have that attitude.

scout · 06-23-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PATSNUTme

Well, I guess my attempt to add reason and rational thought to this forum has gone over well.

My fault, I should have known better. I'm not angry about the reponses. I'm just not going to argue points with people who can't be rational.

Go ahead with your irrational venom and extremist rants if it makes you feel better . My father always told me not to argue with crazy people, they don't know that they are crazy. Hey, I have a mother in law how is totally nuts so I recongnize it when I see it.

The person on this forum that I dispise is Mikey. He rejoices at very soldier killed. I really think he masturbates over it. If that can be called a personal attack, then so be it.

But, I may drop back from time to time and give a rational post just to give some of you a chance to rant on.

Nutstime, I read your post and thought it was very thoughtful and very accurate how some in society were meeting Vietnam Vets when they returned. I remember a poster on an office door at college, "First the draft, now the shaft". I think that might have been on the Veteran's Center door.
But I didn't see where you find the venomous rants in these posts? I do see where an individual to the right accused a Viet vet of helping lose the war. Did see where because I had an opinion that differed with his he then saw me as a sympathizer with OBL and Ayatolla. Read any of the threads that criticized the Vietnam war in these posts and quote what you find extreme. I also did not see any posts from Mikey on this topic. Nut, sorry to see you leave, but to come back to the political forum and post on a subject that in all likelihood you'd probably not want to talk about, wasn't the wisest decision. If you do want to talk about it, come back and talk.

***mgcolby*** · 06-23-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scout

Sorry to cost the U.S during Vietnam. I can't speak for NEM, but I know it had to be difficult for him fighting in the jungles of Nam. Not sure what highlight films you've seen of it. Funny how when somebody has an opinion that differs from yours they become traitors or unpatriotic. Doesn't matter if they fought for their country, took a bullet for their country, or had their arm and leg blown off, skrew them man. The difference between me and you is I respect anyone who served their country. You would think you'd have that attitude.

So there is a difference, if one man dodges a bullet that agrees with you they become gospel, but when one who doesn't agree with you does it he becomes insignificant?

PatsFanInEaglesLand · 06-23-2006, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by scout

Sorry to cost the U.S during Vietnam. I can't speak for NEM, but I know it had to be difficult for him fighting in the jungles of Nam. Not sure what highlight films you've seen of it. Funny how when somebody has an opinion that differs from yours they become traitors or unpatriotic. Doesn't matter if they fought for their country, took a bullet for their country, or had their arm and leg blown off, skrew them man. The difference between me and you is I respect anyone who served their country. You would think you'd have that attitude.

Bull*****, you seem to have zero respect for millitary people who support what the US is trying to do in Iraq(which is most). I thought your post about Vietman was very disrepectful to anyone who served in the Vietnam war. You seem to have a higher reguard for those carry a sign, all cozy in the US, than you do for those who were there.

***patsfan13*** · 06-23-2006, 09:04 PM

PFIEL, may I ask your perspective as someone who has been in Iraq. Do you feel that the type of cut and run rhetoric we are seeing along with the ghoulish magic number of dead to trigger defeat helps enemy morale and makes it harder for the troops on the ground?

Do you feel we will win if we maintain our resolve?

Some say the Iraqi's are unwill to fight and spill blood for their country, Do you agree or are they assuming a greater role in fighting the terrorist?