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Old 06-22-2006, 04:23 PM   #21
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If he feels it than it is fact....Just ask him..
Actually he and mikey are doing a better job of defending the animal, than his own defense lawyers, I guess his lawyers aren't panting for November and will dissmiss anything that will get in the way.
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Old 06-22-2006, 06:08 PM   #22
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Why are you saying many? Where did you see that some were not degraded?



I'm not familiar with how chemical and biological weapons degrade. Can you provide a link supporting your statement?

Also, Iraq did admit that any chemical weapons not destroyed were degraded beyond use. The only link I can find to support that is from a 2003 Federation of American Scientists presentation:

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...&ct=clnk&cd=10
I don't have a link. The "many" came from a news report I heard on Imus this morning while driving to work. "Many" could mean 99% or 55%. That is not my big concern.

My big concern is some terrorist group getting a hold of even the "degraded stuff.

Now, right after 9/11, and well before the Iraq issue came up, I did extensive reading on this. It was a very selfish reason. My daughter was going to grad school at NYU and living and working in Manhattan. In fact she worked in a in one of the tallest buildings just 4 blocks from the WTC and witnessed the whole thing. She was living in lower Manhattan and I was sick with worry.

Anyway, in reading that I did, I came across a couple of articles on how terrorist could use "degraded" mustard & sarin and other stuff to launch an attack on verious soft targets in our cities.

The stuff that we found was "weaponized" in that while in an artillery shell when fired it mixes with another chemical which then cause it to become a vapor when exploded. If it sits in the shell for an extended length of time it starts to "degrade".

When it degrades it becomes a gooey substance and is no longer "weaponized" in that it will not be effective as a WMD fired as an artillery shell. But the substance could be taken out of the shell and mixed with another substance and used as a poor mans WMD. It would not be as lethal as the original "weaponized" stuff but plenty lethal enough to be use in a subway with a smaller explosive charge.

If I can locate these articles in my pile of junk, I'll post them. Are they availible on line? I have no idea, I wasn't using the internet at that time.
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IIRC there were some chem weapons storage facilities in Dugway Ut, and Pueblo Flats Co. Th eleft folks were claiming that the nerve gas was deadly in the 80's 30+ years afterthey were manufactured. I guess Iraqi chems degrade quicker than US chems in the view if left wing 'peace' groups. LOL

google dugway and you'll get lotsa hits.
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That's fine, PATSNUTme. I'll take your word for it. Given it's danger, it's hard to understand why it was never an issue, even when Iraq said it didn't destroy some of it's expired materials. Maybe it was never an issue because the Iraqis could not find it. From the sound of the Fox article, the old weapons were found scattered about at various weapons sites (which says something about how nutty Saddam's military was).
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That's fine, PATSNUTme. I'll take your word for it. Given it's danger, it's hard to understand why it was never an issue, even when Iraq said it didn't destroy some of it's expired materials. Maybe it was never an issue because the Iraqis could not find it. From the sound of the Fox article, the old weapons were found scattered about at various weapons sites (which says something about how nutty Saddam's military was).

Remember the translated memos indicating that theIraqi's were moving and hiding this stuff.
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