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On pre-war intell, Dems will investigate until they win
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Who said, “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction”?
Who said, “Saddam Hussein … has ignored the mandates of the United Nations [and] is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them”?
And who said, “Intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members”?
If you answered Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), you would be correct. You would also earn the ire of Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee, who would like you to believe that only George W. Bush and members of his administration made statements based on inaccurate intelligence in the run-up to the war in Iraq.
Dems lied People Died?
No they were telling the truth as they understood it, now it just politics.
There is prenty more from the 1998 sessions before GWB hit town.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
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Dems lied People Died?
No they were telling the truth as they understood it, now it just politics.
There is prenty more from the 1998 sessions before GWB hit town.
Oh stop it with your Rovian techniques, you know damn well this is just a Rovian ploy to smear the democrats.
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What should they have said? Saddam is a great guy, who's being 100% cooperative? Pleeez. Obviously, both Democrats and Republicans turned up the rhetoric several notches in order to put pressure on Saddam and let him know he wasn't trusted. In addition, these statemetns are made in support of justifying the American strategy of forcing compliance. No one, liberal or conservative, was prepared to give Saddam the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes you guys are a little naive.
What should they have said? Saddam is a great guy, who's being 100% cooperative? Pleeez. Obviously, both Democrats and Republicans turned up the rhetoric several notches in order to put pressure on Saddam and let him know he wasn't trusted. In addition, these statemetns are made in support of justifying the American strategy of forcing compliance. No one, liberal or conservative, was prepared to give Saddam the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes you guys are a little naive.
Well they were debating and voting on going to war, so the truth may have been the way to go.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Well they were debating and voting on going to war, so the truth may have been the way to go.
They knew Saddam was difficult and supported giving Bush the power to go to war as a means of leverage, but for the most part they did not expect Bush to actually go to war without having more of a plan and fully vetted evidence. That said, when he finally went to war, they felt they had to stand with him and put on a united front. They were wrong for doing that, but in the wake of 9/11 it's easy to understand why they did.
They knew Saddam was difficult and supported giving Bush the power to go to war as a means of leverage, but for the most part they did not expect Bush to actually go to war without having more of a plan and fully vetted evidence. That said, when he finally went to war, they felt they had to stand with him and put on a united front. They were wrong for doing that, but in the wake of 9/11 it's easy to understand why they did.
Authorizing the country to go to war is the is the most serious decision a legislator ever makes. IF you authorize force yo uare committing the troops to go in harms way. You don't do that a a barganing chip. If the dems behave as you suggest they failed as legislators.
No way to rationalize this decision. You don't play political games with life and death decisions.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Yes, patsfan13, I agree. That said, I do think that if Clinton had been president, an authorization like the one granted would have been used more responsibly.
Yes, patsfan13, I agree. That said, I do think that if Clinton had been president, an authorization like the one granted would have been used more responsibly.
Unfortunaly had Clinton (or Gore) not much would have been done except bluster. When we look at eh 90's no response to WTC bombing 1 (treated as a criminal matter, rahter than ack of war), Khobar towers, Cole bombing, Embassy bombing, Somilia, no reaction to declaration of war by Al Queda, snookered by N Korea on Nuke weapons development.
Posturing is effective when dealing with domestic policy and politics it is dangerous when dealing in International politics, where enemies are out to do us great harm.
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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."
Going to war has killed more than 2,500 Americans. It has made the terrorists stronger, expanded anti-American feeling, created a record deficit, destroyed a nation, left tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians dead, unemployed, living in fear, and so on. Measured by numbers of dead, including soldiers, the war has netted us and the world nothing but tragedy. Far fewer Americans died under Clinton and the world was a far safer place. You want to use our soldiers as fodder to satisfy your own thirst for revenge; well revenge doesn't necessary bring peace and security.
As far as North Korea goes, Bush has been in office for 6 years, and what has he done? So far, under his watch we've seen North Korea and Iran make great strides in advancing their nuclear programs. You can fault Clinton, who at least accomplished a little with North Korea, but Bush has accomplished nothing so far. Clinton's North Korea strategy, which was based on the reality that North Korea had a nuclear weapons program since the 80s is similar to Bush's Iran strategy.
On pre-war intell, Dems will investigate until they win
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