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Old 06-18-2006, 05:08 PM   #21
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Since you asked NEM, I am happy to help you out. Here is a new docutment translation on the cooperation between Saddam, Al Queda & the Taliban. Also I have linked 2 older documents from the London Telegraph (mainstream media for you patters). They corrobrate the new documents with other documents showing that Mohammed Atta was in Baghdad THE SUMMER OF 2001.

Enjoy NEM.

Link to newly translated Iraqi Security Service document:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199757,00.html#3

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Concerning the relations between the Taliban and Iraq I was informed that they are going to start those relations in a secret manner and they are waiting for the answer and I will inform them that you will answer them through the embassy (translator’s note: could be through the Iraqi embassy of Kabul, if they had one, or Islamabad in Pakistan). Concerning the agreement with Hekmatyar, we are going to proceed with this issue. Concerning the third point, the Association of Islamic Scholars has a popular voice in Pakistan and we will always side with Iraq and we hope that the new government will have a positive stand with Iraq.

Last July we received information that America wants to attack Afghanistan because of Usama bin Laden so we did a (not clear) and agreed to contact the Taliban to be sure and they said it was true
Next a link to the captured document about Atta being in Baghdad the Summer of 2001.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...14/wterr14.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...4/wterr114.xml

excerpts from the articles:
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Details of Atta's visit to the Iraqi capital in the summer of 2001, just weeks before he launched the most devastating terrorist attack in US history, are contained in a top secret memo written to Saddam Hussein, the then Iraqi president, by Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

The handwritten memo, a copy of which has been obtained exclusively by the Telegraph, is dated July 1, 2001 and provides a short resume of a three-day "work programme" Atta had undertaken at Abu Nidal's base in Baghdad.
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For anyone attempting to find evidence to justify the war in Iraq, the discovery of a document that directly links Mohammed Atta, the al-Qaeda mastermind of the September 11 attacks, with the Baghdad training camp of Abu Nidal, the infamous Palestinian terrorist, appears almost too good to be true.

Ever since four hijacked civilian jets devastated the United States' eastern seaboard on September 11, 2001, there have been any number of reports circulating Western intelligence agencies suggesting that Saddam Hussein's Iraq had close links to al-Qaeda.

Most of the claims relate to meetings between al-Qaeda and Iraqi intelligence to discuss co-operation on matters such as funding, training and equipment.

Prior to the discovery of the document published today by the Telegraph, the most controversial report related to the suggestion that Atta had met Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, in Prague in April 2001.

So here is more information as to how we got to where we are.

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Old 06-18-2006, 06:26 PM   #22
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Thats the same debunked garbage you tried to pass off last week.

Let me remind you of the ACTUAL FACTS.....

Thus there was the (still-running) controversy over whether Mohammed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the 9/11 hijackers, met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague in April 2001 -- a story that originated, according to various accounts, with a single Middle Eastern informant of undetermined reliability who told Czech intelligence he had seen the two men seated together at a Prague cafe five months before the 9/11 attacks. The FBI, CIA and foreign intelligence services, including Mossad, have dismissed the story. According to Newsweek, the FBI has receipts proving Atta was traveling between Florida and Virginia Beach at the time. Yet as recently as last September, Cheney was coy on the question: "[W]e have reporting," he said during an interview, "that places him in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official a few months before the attack on the World Trade Center." (Note the similarity in phraseology used by Bush to describe "British" reports that Hussein had tried to acquire uranium in Africa.)

The fact that the story was not considered credible by U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies did not prevent it from making a huge and continuing splash in the U.S. media. In addition to the PNAC cadre who have hyped it at every opportunity, New York Times columnist William Safire and the editorial page of the Wall Street Journal have hawked it as gospel, often deriding naysayers as CIA dupes.

Then there was the report about the airline fuselage at the Iraqi military base at Salman Pak where, according to Perle and others, a defector (apparently channeled to the Pentagon from the INC) had sworn they had seen non-Iraqi Muslims being trained in hijacking. But U.S. intelligence officials, who knew about the fuselage since it was installed in the mid-1980s, also knew that it was being used to train security personnel to prevent hijackings. It didn't take them long after interviewing the defector to dismiss the allegation.


I could go on and on and totally debunk everything you posted with actual facts, but I wont waste my time....NEM

http://www.alternet.org/story/16420/

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And let me ask you a question....WHO SPOKE THESE WORDS?



"No, we've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th.

And al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaida operative, was in Baghdad. He's the guy that ordered the killing of a U.S. diplomat. ... There's no question that Saddam Hussein had al-Qaida ties."



Well, for the record, it was George W. Bush.....

NOw, as it turned out, the part about Zarqawi was yet, another misrepresentation.

BECAUSE.....................
Security analysts, however, say al-Zarqawi made his way to Iraq, where his leg was amputated. . Unconfirmed reports claim he then visited northern Iraq, where a militant Islamic group affiliated with al-Qaida is encamped not far from the border with Iran.

The group, however, far from being an ally of Saddam, sought to replace his secular government with an Islamic regime.

A senior intelligence official, who asked not to be identified, said the information linking the group, Ansar al Islam, to Saddam comes "almost exclusively from defectors produced by the Iraqi opposition. They are not uniformly credible."

As usual NEM you get your information all mixed up. 1 of the doucments was just translated, Second this doesn't concern the report that Atta met with the Iraqi's in Prague, this is Iraqi documents indicating he was in Baghdad.

The CIA didn't have a great record before 9-11 as I recall and have been in CYA mode ever since. If the Iraqi's didn't have anything to do with Atta, why would he be mentioned in their Internal documents?

Sorry that Iraqi security documents don't mesh with yoru conspiracy fantasy world.
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Old 06-18-2006, 07:19 PM   #23
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You know harry, this train that is coming at you with facts is hard to derail with howls of gibberish....
Whatever happened to Richard Clarke, why haven't the Dingobats got him up on the front line in their "War Against Bush"

You want to hear some real Gibberish, lol, listen to Auntie Pelosi & Uncle Teddy..
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WARNING: Political statement/quest... If President Bush lied about the WMD's, what about the Democrats?
President Bush isn't the only person that thought Iraq had WMD's. Former President Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Madeline Albright, Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Bob Graham, Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, Joseph Lieberman, Robert Byrd, Jay Rockefeller, Henry Waxman, and Hillary Clinton also believed it. Click the link below if you'd like to see actual quotes and when each were said. The article is "Bush lied about WMD's? What about the Democrats?"

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/bushlied.htm
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You and I both know that politicians lie as soon as the political winds change. I believe that , because we supported and created the power that Saddam enjoyed, these scumbag politicians - dems and repubs, I don't know the difference - move in the direction that they think we want them to. Bush had the idea and filtered the intel about Iraq's capacities to hurt us. No matter. Congress had a duty to check the white house info and didn't bother. They're both guilty of equally serious negligence.
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Let's look at the architects of the iraq war and see if they were held ACCOUNTABLE for thier negligence...

Honor and integrity were key statements bush campaigned on!!

http://thinkprogress.org/the-archite...-are-they-now/
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Let's take a peek before 911 at bushes comments.

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i11gore.htm
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Old 06-18-2006, 10:48 PM   #27
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Back to the case for the iraq war.

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feat...01/12_405.html
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Old 06-18-2006, 11:13 PM   #28
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http://movies.crooksandliars.com/accurate.mp3
The voice you hear say ''thats acurate'' is mclellan, after it was proven he lied
The continuing saga of deceit.

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This part5 here, was pretty good, and hit the nail; right on the head.

Kwiatkowski, 43, a now-retired Air Force officer who served in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia (NESA) unit in the year before the invasion of Iraq, observed how the Pentagon's Iraq war-planning unit manufactured scare stories about Iraq's weapons and ties to terrorists. "It wasn't intelligence‚ -- it was propaganda," she says. "They'd take a little bit of intelligence, cherry-pick it, make it sound much more exciting, usually by taking it out of context, often by juxtaposition of two pieces of information that don't belong together." It was by turning such bogus intelligence into talking points for U.S. officials‚ -- including ominous lines in speeches by President Bush and Vice President Cheney, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell's testimony at the U.N. Security Council last February‚ -- that the administration pushed American public opinion into supporting an unnecessary war.
There so much evidence out there, Im glad you're helping to break it down for the public to read..I will find, and post more, and any help, like you did, is greatly appreciated in the quest for truth.
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Go here, and join the messageboard forum.

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I will check it out, thanks man.
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