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Old 06-09-2010, 09:38 PM   #1
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Interesting opinion of a recent SCOTUS case.

Editorial - Keeping Politics Safe for the Rich - NYTimes.com

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In a burst of judicial activism, the Supreme Court on Tuesday upended the gubernatorial race in Arizona, cutting off matching funds to candidates participating in the state’s public campaign finance system. Suddenly, three candidates, including Gov. Jan Brewer, can no longer receive public funds they had counted on to run against a free-spending wealthy opponent.
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It seems likely that the Roberts court will use this case to continue its destruction of the laws and systems set up in recent decades to reduce the influence of big money in politics. By the time it is finished, millionaires and corporations will have regained an enormous voice in American politics, at the expense of candidates who have to raise money the old-fashioned way and, ultimately, at the expense of voters.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:30 PM   #2
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Interesting opinion of a recent SCOTUS case.

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Yeah free speech is a pesky thing... everyone gets to practice it - even all those *******s you disagree with.

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The divide between the military industrial folks and wartime decisions have been blurred, the divide between industry and goverment regulation has been blurred and now the divide between the uberrich and government has been blurred.. the trend is obvious and frightening.

But it will swing the other way, not confident soon, but it usually does.
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Yeah free speech is a pesky thing... everyone gets to practice it - even all those *******s you disagree with.

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Is spending really speech? If it is, does that mean there can be no curbs on it?

(Bribery is illegal. Gambling is sometimes illegal. Antitrust regs often curb corporate spending on other companies. These are three curbs on spending, off the top of my head -- should they be legalized due to freedom of speech?)
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Is spending really speech? If it is, does that mean there can be no curbs on it?

(Bribery is illegal. Gambling is sometimes illegal. Antitrust regs often curb corporate spending on other companies. These are three curbs on spending, off the top of my head -- should they be legalized due to freedom of speech?)
Corporations are people. That's where this country is today in the so-called "Class warfare" corporate fascists constantly whine about through their media mouthpieces. They complain that they can't be heard in government unless they're allowed unrestricted access via campaign fundraising. It's a disturbing trend but not a surprising one.

And I disagree with Daryll on this. I don't see the pendulum swinging back on this one before it's too late. It's been swinging in favor of corporations and the rich (same thing, right?) since the late 70's and there is no sign that it will change in time to salvage the power of the People. We are in the midst of full co-option of the government by corporations that will be so entrenched that even elections will have no importance anymore. All candidates will be funded by big business and PSC's very soon, to the point of making individual donations seem miniscule and irrelevant by comparison.

Once in office is when the real leverage can be used because, as we all know, politicians begin their fundraising for re-election the day they are elected. During their time in office, the massive amounts of funding available to the politician is dangled before them as incentive to vote on matters in a way that will help keep the money flowing into the campaign warchest. The political piece has now reached the last hope we had of correcting this imbalance of power- the SCOTUS. They continue to decide in favor of money, profit and economic "development" over the rights of individuals that the fascists are so fond of invoking.

The corporate media (left and right) reinforces this by refusing to address the massive fraud being perpetrated on us by the big donaters (bribers) and celebrating each election as some sort of "victory for democracy" and the "thundering voice of the People"...when they all know what's going on. They're not talking because their revenues are going higher and they're being kept comfortable beyond their wildest dreams.

Corporations are not people. People are people. The Constitution was written for the People and every myth we were told about democracy is being flushed down the toilet. I makes me sad that so few are able to see that they're living in the Matrix, and even when they do, they chose the blue pill almost every time.
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We are in the midst of full co-option of the government by corporations that will be so entrenched that even elections will have no importance anymore. All candidates will be funded by big business and PSC's very soon, to the point of making individual donations seem miniscule and irrelevant by comparison. ........
Corporations are not people. People are people. The Constitution was written for the People and every myth we were told about democracy is being flushed down the toilet. I makes me sad that so few are able to see that they're living in the Matrix, and even when they do, they chose the blue pill almost every time.

Quoted for Truth. If more people at least nibbled on the red pill our country wouldn't be where it is now.
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Quoted for Truth. If more people at least nibbled on the red pill our country wouldn't be where it is now.
Here's a good one to try on someone: Ask them what a gallon of gasoline costs. If they say "$2.87", they took the blue pill. If they say "$17.42" they've had the red pill and are living a miserable existence of frustration and solitude.

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Is spending really speech? If it is, does that mean there can be no curbs on it?

(Bribery is illegal. Gambling is sometimes illegal. Antitrust regs often curb corporate spending on other companies. These are three curbs on spending, off the top of my head -- should they be legalized due to freedom of speech?)
Those analogies are too ridiculous to address.

If I (or an entity I control) have $1 million that I want to spend telling the public how wonderful one candidate is (and how poor the other one is) who do you think you are to tell me I can't do that?
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I'm shocked that people actually think we need more corporate influence in our politics.
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I'm shocked that people actually think we need more corporate influence in our politics.
The message that corporations are equal to people dehumanizes people, IMO, and that message is working on far too many of us.
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